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142. I do have one other thought. Please be careful about telling people you won't vote unless...

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 04:20 PM

Nov 2020

See, the thing is that a lot of Bernie people ended up voting Green in 2016, or simply not coming out to vote at all.

So, Trump squeaked through with an electoral victory, even though Clinton had more votes.

And, we had four years of hell, where a monster nearly pulled down this republic around our ankles. That, I think, was from people in our party deciding, 'oh, well, I didn't get my way, so now I'm not gonna vote...'

As I said, Biden is perfectly justified in staying above it, because he's got to be the healer. Problem is, for healing, many Americans, myself included, need a bit of good, old-fashioned catharsis. So, the State Attorney's General, the IRS, the DoJ, the US House, and possibly the Senate can and should investigate and prosecute if justified, which it will be.

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President-elect Biden wary of Trump-focused investigations, sources say [View all] brooklynite Nov 2020 OP

No moving on rpannier Nov 2020 #1

I agree, no moving on. liberalgunwilltravel Nov 2020 #23

I agree Rorey Nov 2020 #29

I concur... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2020 #100

I agree. If Biden had said this BEFORE the election the numbers might be different. usaf-vet Nov 2020 #55

I couldn't agree more DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #114

Thanks for the great expansion of my same thoughts. I don't want to be a naysayer but..., usaf-vet Nov 2020 #138

this llashram Nov 2020 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author llashram Nov 2020 #72

2006? But I agree with the normalization point... thesquanderer Nov 2020 #73

There you are! Great strategy. PatrickforO Nov 2020 #122

+ 1. nt iluvtennis Nov 2020 #126

All of them DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #149

The same mistake Ford made with Nixon. Grins Nov 2020 #107

I agree. Been there done that before and it got you trump rockfordfile Nov 2020 #131

I can understand it, but nobody is above the law. RDANGELO Nov 2020 #2

No, I can't understand it, it is BS Escurumbele Nov 2020 #54

I think Biden is saying this because it supports his pledge to unite Americans together. nt pazzyanne Nov 2020 #83

It's not BS wsbradshaw Nov 2020 #112

As long as he doesn't stand in the way soothsayer Nov 2020 #3

Just as I predicted before he even became the nominee. oldsoftie Nov 2020 #4

Very good points Rorey Nov 2020 #30

I agree. We need to remember this election wasnt a landslide. oldsoftie Nov 2020 #133

Nope, democratic voters will not vote next time, we want justice. Escurumbele Nov 2020 #60

this++ llashram Nov 2020 #69

yes, it can happen here and already did-- post-GW Bush, post-GHW Bush, post-Nixon LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #92

But more people voted in '16 & '20 than ever before. oldsoftie Nov 2020 #134

I won't go so far as to say I won't vote, but you have a good point about PatrickforO Nov 2020 #127

Well then they may have to be happy with Pres Haley if they wanna stay home. oldsoftie Nov 2020 #132

I do have one other thought. Please be careful about telling people you won't vote unless... PatrickforO Nov 2020 #142

I wonder... DonaldsRump Nov 2020 #5

It not only normalizes behavior Rorey Nov 2020 #32

Sometimes punishment sets the example so the other vermin crawl back under their rocks. Tommymac Nov 2020 #38

Exactly! SnowCritter Nov 2020 #53

Then this balloon needs to be popped, pronto. not_the_one Nov 2020 #97

Agreed. To the extent federal prosecutions may interfere with critical focus on our climate crisis, Magoo48 Nov 2020 #6

Holding trump accountable for his crimes is not vengence Fullduplexxx Nov 2020 #14

Call it what you will. Magoo48 Nov 2020 #28

I called it what it is thank you Fullduplexxx Nov 2020 #39

To each of us the order of priorities will be different. Magoo48 Nov 2020 #52

" I called it what it is thank you." LenaBaby61 Nov 2020 #118

biden will allow the DOJ to pursue and HIS focus must be on moving forward beachbumbob Nov 2020 #7

Getting Trump to conceed-- Nortbnd101 Nov 2020 #57

Black folks aren't having it this time. RiverbendsJoe Nov 2020 #8

Do you have any data pointing to Black voters focusing on Trump's ethics as a voting reason? brooklynite Nov 2020 #11

Oh, please EndlessWire Nov 2020 #49

Think whatever you would like to think, including the "thought" that the opinions of black voters, RiverbendsJoe Nov 2020 #66

So you are the voice of 'Black Voters'? Chemisse Nov 2020 #103

Oh, hell EndlessWire Nov 2020 #129

Actually, my comment was not to you. n/t Chemisse Nov 2020 #150

TY. n/t EndlessWire Nov 2020 #165

You said what you said. EndlessWire Nov 2020 #130

Please do not repeat Obama's mistake as it cstanleytech Nov 2020 #9

It's going to be Kamala EndlessWire Nov 2020 #50

It certainly won't be the Vice President. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2020 #80

Practicality is an important consideration bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #10

Oh boy here we go .. Fullduplexxx Nov 2020 #12

tRump happened because Nixon & Reagan (Iran-Contra) & Bush were not held to account. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #13

I hold in my hand d_b Nov 2020 #15

Yes, focus on fixing problems Covid #1, Electoral reform #2, tRump-Republicon lawlessness #3 Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #16

Great, let him go. Then when the next authoritarian comes along, one with a brain, he'll know dem4decades Nov 2020 #17

I listened to his response and he said it was the DOJ responsibility. olegramps Nov 2020 #18

It's the President's job to make sure the laws are enforced - specifically tasked to do so... PoliticAverse Nov 2020 #79

I agree, however this does not mean that he should determine who should be prosecuted. olegramps Nov 2020 #139

That sounds fine. No president should be pushing for prosecutions. Chemisse Nov 2020 #104

Well, at least Mitch McConnell might die from the belly laughs. OneBro Nov 2020 #19

+1. They keep walking, and we're the only ones who can hold them accountable to minimize JudyM Nov 2020 #145

How about just instructing your administration to fully cooperate with other investigations Maeve Nov 2020 #20

Biden Is Right To Focus On Moving Forward Dr. Skull Nov 2020 #21

Trump needs to be investigated regardless of how 'wary' Biden might feel. iscooterliberally Nov 2020 #22

No. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #24

This isn't just about Trump. It's also about a president's ability to obstruct Congress. Lonestarblue Nov 2020 #25

exactly right Locrian Nov 2020 #40

"Biden needs to declassify as much of the Mueller Report as possible..." Botany Nov 2020 #47

Let NYS go after him for tax evasions. Congress needs to go after all his lawyers, Cabinet and WH... machoneman Nov 2020 #26

Well this is disappointing vlyons Nov 2020 #27

The installation of D. Trump into the White House by Russia was an act of war and the biggest ... Botany Nov 2020 #31

This issue will soon be moot when Trump pardons himself and everyone in his administration. SunSeeker Nov 2020 #33

I think it will be more than NY still_one Nov 2020 #35

That isn't the purpose of the presidency. Biden is right. It will be other parties that will go still_one Nov 2020 #34

"Enforcing the law" is actually, literally in the job description intrepidity Nov 2020 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Nov 2020 #161

First they shouldn't show their cards before inauguration, and the Georgia runoffs. Second it is still_one Nov 2020 #162

I realize Joe may be talking this way to bring pukes in from the cold Ponietz Nov 2020 #36

An independent prosecutor or prosecutors Danascot Nov 2020 #37

"Moving On" after Reagan Bettie Nov 2020 #41

I Couldn't Possibly DISAGREE More Lou Is Nov 2020 #42

Where are all the posters saying that this is just an "opinion analysis, not a "report" when... JoeOtterbein Nov 2020 #43

Possibly because "those posters" understand the difference between editorial and objective reporting LanternWaste Nov 2020 #148

Martyr Nasruddin Nov 2020 #44

Trump's crimes need to be exposed, investigated, and adjudicated. NCjack Nov 2020 #45

As Joe's state victories were reported, my blood pressure began to NCjack Nov 2020 #75

As Joe's state victories were reported, my blood pressure began to NCjack Nov 2020 #76

Uh huh. I was afraid of that. malthaussen Nov 2020 #46

Lunacy at its highest -- Repubs break the law and are never held accountable -- JT45242 Nov 2020 #48

Please, please post this as an OP nt intrepidity Nov 2020 #160

Joe will be the president. He makes the decisions. ( i can see some of his points) BUT bluestarone Nov 2020 #51

An investigation shouldn't involve the presidency in any way, its a moot point yaesu Nov 2020 #56

Much as I hate Trump heckles65 Nov 2020 #58

I just don't want to see a pardon. EndlessWire Nov 2020 #59

Absolutely not!! heckles65 Nov 2020 #61

Absolutely not what? n/t EndlessWire Nov 2020 #62

imo , because the Bush administration wasnt punished, we got Trump. Mr. Sparkle Nov 2020 #63

wary? why? llashram Nov 2020 #64

Really, people? That is NOT what I'm reading from this. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2020 #65

this is not a new llashram Nov 2020 #82

Thanks for not reading the article in its entirety. DinahMoeHum Nov 2020 #144

honestly, I did read the article llashram Nov 2020 #147

You have to remember that the political class will not be punished by the political class. LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #67

I remember Clinton's 1st term getting off to a poor start DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #68

I don't want his presidency to be consumed with investigations either. Gore1FL Nov 2020 #71

that's right LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #91

They wouldn't do the same for him. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2020 #74

Well, then, his presidency has failed before it begins, and America will never heal Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #77

Biden wants his Justice Department to function independently from the White House mcar Nov 2020 #78

Here we fucking go again CanonRay Nov 2020 #81

no investigations, one term president. Javaman Nov 2020 #84

He can be wary as long as he doesn't stop them, or announce that there will be none. ancianita Nov 2020 #85

I sucked it up when Bush/Cheny got a pass, not this time. As someone else said earlier.. Hotler Nov 2020 #86

This better not be happening Scalded Nun Nov 2020 #87

And the "uniting" will not work. Lock him up. Nov 2020 #88

He could let NY handle the hell he's due. JohnnyRingo Nov 2020 #89

If NY has the goods and hits the ground running on 1/20... maddogesq Nov 2020 #105

Unacceptable TryLogic Nov 2020 #90

How about just crime-focused investigations then? LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #93

I'm sick of the way we Democrats are so quick to forgive and forget the crimes against America and Nitram Nov 2020 #94

Biden's gonna need a really big organization. truthisfreedom Nov 2020 #95

Here are some things to do to "move on". TryLogic Nov 2020 #96

Moot point... Ohio Joe Nov 2020 #98

New York prosecution is a given Bayard Nov 2020 #99

If Nixon had been held accountable, we wouldn't had Iran Contra or the crimes Bush committed, Liberty Belle Nov 2020 #101

What about those of us Americans harmed by the sedition and treason? ffr Nov 2020 #102

Joe may not want his administration to be consumed by Trump investigations, but... LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #106

Investigated already... FormerOstrich Nov 2020 #108

No. There are two things that absolutely need to be investigated: PatrickforO Nov 2020 #109

And collusion with Russia and the Saudis. JudyM Nov 2020 #146

Corruption wsbradshaw Nov 2020 #110

If the r's skate again it will divide our country Marthe48 Nov 2020 #111

Unless any of them smoked marijuana.... Yeehah Nov 2020 #113

I agree with Biden Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2020 #115

You honestly think Trump sill stop seeking attention if he gets off scott free? LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #125

How can we heal if justice is not served? diva77 Nov 2020 #116

Quite right. Sin Nov 2020 #119

Her's got a tall order, fix this broken government after 4 years of a wrecking crew Warpy Nov 2020 #117

I'm fucking wary of it too. maxsolomon Nov 2020 #120

"One adviser said Biden has made it clear that he "just wants to move on." notinkansas Nov 2020 #121

Let the States like NY etc deal with Trump Roc2020 Nov 2020 #123

Does this mean he gets away with crimes against humanity for locking NoRoadUntravelled Nov 2020 #124

George W. Bush got away with crime against humanity in the Middle East theater. totodeinhere Nov 2020 #137

And yet Republicans have no problem fabricating crimes and going after Democratic officials NoRoadUntravelled Nov 2020 #141

Sad but predictable LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author EarthFirst Nov 2020 #135

This is exactly what I was afraid of and I think it's a mistake. totodeinhere Nov 2020 #136

Obama had the same approach "to unite the country." It didn't happen. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2020 #140

The current Republican Party cannot be mollified by Democrats looking the other way. NoRoadUntravelled Nov 2020 #143

And Clinton "looked forward, not back" on H.W. Bush's obstruction of justice pat_k Nov 2020 #152

Look forward, not back only perpetuates crimes. pat_k Nov 2020 #151

He can always change his mind later. ucrdem Nov 2020 #153

Deja vu all over again pat_k Nov 2020 #154

Sorry but not enforcing the law is why we are in such a mess. Dealbreaker as usajumpedtheshark Nov 2020 #155

Fine reward him for obstructing the transition Captain Zero Nov 2020 #156

Sure, just wallpaper over that moldy wall intrepidity Nov 2020 #157

Thank you for posting this. Duppers Nov 2020 #158

I am disappointed with this. pfitz59 Nov 2020 #163

President Biden can stay on the sidelines while attorneys go after the spineless bastard. Maxheader Nov 2020 #164