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43. "To make good policy, you have to first win."

Thu Dec 3, 2020, 01:40 AM

Dec 2020

Precisely. And throwing away weapons, and "dirtying our hands" and all the other blather really have nothing to do with whether this fight is remotely winnable. And if it is not winnable -- then, yes, almost certainly the cost (whatever it might be) is an unnecessary one.

"so there’s no actual harm in fighting, and some significant gain."

You keep asserting that there is no cost involved in this action. Nonsense. I'll invite you to ask somebody in the House leadership about that.
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Iowa Democrat will challenge election results with House [View all] brooklynite Dec 2020 OP

Sauce for the gander. Why not? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #1

agreed. Repugs will only learn if we use aggressive tactics as well samsingh Dec 2020 #5

like overturning certfied election results? stopdiggin Dec 2020 #9

no one is overturning election results. They are simply challenging the counting - 6 votes ! samsingh Dec 2020 #36

the 6 vote margin IS the result stopdiggin Dec 2020 #41

Yup, exactly! Catch2.2 Dec 2020 #35

Because it will provide the R's with cover for their challenges of certifications. n/t pnwmom Dec 2020 #15

absolutely... myohmy2 Dec 2020 #23

agreed samsingh Dec 2020 #48

Haven't you answered your own question? L.Pharmstrong Dec 2020 #26

the election was stolen from Al Gore and the repugs blame him for asking for a recount samsingh Dec 2020 #49

Thanks for posting - a most interesting move by Hart rurallib Dec 2020 #2

I'm here in IA-2 with you jayschool2013 Dec 2020 #28

Boy I Rebl2 Dec 2020 #30

surprise - all the districts in Iowa except the 4th sure pretty much split 50-50 rurallib Dec 2020 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Dec 2020 #3

I haven't read anything about any fraud. The election has been certified. marie999 Dec 2020 #4

Has something been restraining him so far? AleksS Dec 2020 #7

terrible, terrible optics stopdiggin Dec 2020 #11

Eh. Optics shmoptics. AleksS Dec 2020 #29

you are assuming stopdiggin Dec 2020 #38

No, not really. AleksS Dec 2020 #42

"To make good policy, you have to first win." stopdiggin Dec 2020 #43

So you have nothing but insult and innuendo? AleksS Dec 2020 #45

hearing a lot of nostrums about "quitters never win" stopdiggin Dec 2020 #50

Yeah, people LOOOOVE quitters. AleksS Dec 2020 #51

repugs don't care if we take the high road - in fact that's what they want so they can be shameless samsingh Dec 2020 #47

I sympathize. But... SpankMe Dec 2020 #6

You'd be surprised how many Never-Trumpers there are. bearsfootball516 Dec 2020 #8

yes. quite a few Republicans that still think stopdiggin Dec 2020 #10

How are you defining "5 seat advantage"? moose65 Dec 2020 #13

No, its D 222 and R 212. former9thward Dec 2020 #14

Five Democrats voting "no" can kill a vote FBaggins Dec 2020 #18

Why didn't Rebl2 Dec 2020 #31

You mean during the 30 seconds between soldierant Dec 2020 #37

Republicans are threatening to hold up Biden Cabinet appointees so we should walk on eggshells????? mpcamb Dec 2020 #12

There's always going to be close election races but if she lost then she lost and cstanleytech Dec 2020 #17

Christine Gregoire paid for a 2nd recount in a WA Gov race. maxsolomon Dec 2020 #25

I think she use her state remedies and then if there is a compelling reason dsc Dec 2020 #16

Here's the info from democracydocket DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #19

If there are legal votes that have yet to be counted, well, that's a state issue. groundloop Dec 2020 #20

So are they still counting these "leftover" votes? Retrograde Dec 2020 #21

"limitations in Iowa law mean there are more legally cast votes left to be counted" FBaggins Dec 2020 #24

first paragraph DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #32

go for it... myohmy2 Dec 2020 #22

And set a precedendent for overturning certfied election results My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #33

would... myohmy2 Dec 2020 #39

State issue, not for the House. Suck it up. TeamPooka Dec 2020 #27

Concise -- and accurate. (nt) stopdiggin Dec 2020 #40

Short deadline by state statute, no time to go to court. Let's do it. ahoysrcsm Dec 2020 #52

We are not the good guys ... BasicallyComplicated Dec 2020 #44

YES!!!! AleksS Dec 2020 #46