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JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
45. Frankly I don't believe anything the official Israeli or US gov't sources
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:09 AM
Jan 2012

or mainstream media tell the public regarding the underhanded behavior of the latest Middle Eastern country designated to have democracy imposed on it by bombing. After all, the US and Israel are both proven and accomplished propagandists, deceivers and instigators of illegal wars. When last has Iran invaded another country? It's been a good few hundred years since Iran started a war when it was not attacked first (i.e Saddam's attempted invasion of Iran, supported and encouraged by the USA which cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of Iranians). Who in recent history has started several murderous wars and invasions on false pretexts and invaded weaker countries unable to defend themselves? Hint, it wasn't Iran.

The historical record shows the Israelis are not averse to using false flag terror to accomplish their goals, as the recent article in the publication Foreign Policy explains. According to FP, internal reports and sources within the US gov't admit privately that Israel uses false flag techniques to pin the blame for terrorist style attacks against Iran on the CIA:


False Flag

Buried deep in the archives of America's intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush's administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents. According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives -- what is commonly referred to as a "false flag" operation.

The memos, as described by the sources, one of whom has read them and another who is intimately familiar with the case, investigated and debunked reports from 2007 and 2008 accusing the CIA, at the direction of the White House, of covertly supporting Jundallah -- a Pakistan-based Sunni extremist organization. Jundallah, according to the U.S. government and published reports, is responsible for assassinating Iranian government officials and killing Iranian women and children.

But while the memos show that the United States had barred even the most incidental contact with Jundallah, according to both intelligence officers, the same was not true for Israel's Mossad. The memos also detail CIA field reports saying that Israel's recruiting activities occurred under the nose of U.S. intelligence officers, most notably in London, the capital of one of Israel's ostensible allies, where Mossad officers posing as CIA operatives met with Jundallah officials.

The officials did not know whether the Israeli program to recruit and use Jundallah is ongoing. Nevertheless, they were stunned by the brazenness of the Mossad's efforts.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag?page=0,0


This use of false flag techniques by Israel is not new. In the Lavon Affair way back in 1954 Israeli agents attempted to firebomb US and British owned properties in Egypt to make it look like Arab terrorists were responsible.

Of course, the USA living in a glass house is not really in a position to throw any stones when it comes to the use of false flag terror techniques and intentionally creating incidents to make a designated enemy look bad while it secretly accomplishes the USA's own objectives.

"We Americans are the ultimate innocents. We are forever desperate to believe that this time the government is telling us the truth." - US newspaper columnist Sydney Schanberg reflecting on how easily the US government's lies and propaganda about a non existent 2nd Gulf of Tonkin attack on a US destroyer could be used to hoodwink Americans into supporting the USA's involvement in the Vietnam war.

See below how it was finally admitted that the US and Britain conspired (not a conspiracy theory this time, a conspiracy fact) to overthrow the democratically elected government in Iran when the Iranian PM threatened to put a dent in the profits of the British owned and controlled Iranian oil industry. Part of the CIA/MI6 plot known as Operation Ajax involved the use of false flag terror tactics.


A 'great venture': overthrowing the government of Iran
by Mark Curtis From Lobster 30

This is a slightly abridged version of part of chapter four of Mark Curtis's book The Ambiguities of Power: British Foreign Policy since 1945 (Zed Press, 1995).
* * *

In August 1953 a coup overthrew Iran's nationalist government of Mohammed Musaddiq and installed the Shah in power. The Shah subsequently used widespread repression and torture in a dictatorship that lasted until the 1979 Islamic revolution. The 1953 coup is conventionally regarded primarily as a CIA operation, yet the planning record reveals not only that Britain was the prime mover in the initial project to overthrow the government but also that British resources contributed significantly to the eventual success of the operation. Two first-hand accounts of the Anglo-American sponsorship of the coup - by the MI6 and CIA officers primarily responsible for it - are useful in reconstructing events. (1) Many of the secret planning documents that reveal the British role have been removed from public access and some of them remain closed until the next century - for reasons of 'national security'. Nevertheless, a fairly clear picture still emerges. Churchill later told the CIA officer responsible for the operation that he 'would have loved nothing better than to have served under your command in this great venture'. (2)

In the 1950s the Anglo Iranian Oil Company (AIOC) - later renamed British Petroleum - which was managed from London and owned by the British government and British private citizens, controlled Iran's main source of income: oil. According to one British official, the AIOC 'has become in effect an imperium in imperio in Persia'. Iranian nationalists objected to the fact that the AIOC not only made revenues from Iranian oil 'greatly in excess of the revenues of the Persian government but [it] dominates the whole economic life of Persia, and therefore impairs her independence'. (3) The AIOC was recognised as 'a great foreign organisation controlling Persia's economic life and destiny'. The British oil business fared well from this state of affairs; the AIOC made £170 million in profits in 1950 alone. (4)

snip

When the coup scenario finally began, huge demonstrations proceeded in the streets of Tehran, funded by CIA and MI6 money, $1 million dollars of which was in a safe in the US embassy (57) and £1.5 million which had been delivered by Britain to its agents in Iran, according to the MI6 officer responsible for delivering it. (58)

According to then CIA officer Richard Cottam, 'that mob that came into north Tehran and was decisive in the overthrow was a mercenary mob. It had no ideology. That mob was paid for by American dollars.' (59) One key aspect of the plot was to portray the demonstrating mobs as supporters of the Communist Party - Tudeh - in order to provide a suitable pretext for the coup and the assumption of control by the Shah. Cottam observes that agents working on behalf of the British 'saw the opportunity and sent the people we had under our control into the streets to act as if they were Tudeh. They were more than just provocateurs, they were shock troops, who acted as if they were Tudeh people throwing rocks at mosques and priests'. (60) 'The purpose', Brian Lapping explains, 'was to frighten the majority of Iranians into believing that a victory for Mussadeq would be a victory for the Tudeh, the Soviet Union and irreligion'. (61)

http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm



Who is more believable in this case? Kaleko Jan 2012 #1
I kinda hate to say this, but probably the Israelis this time. AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #3
Certainly--but I'll bet they didn't leave so much as a fingerprint. MADem Jan 2012 #9
My money is on Iranian insiders of the current government. Behind the Aegis Jan 2012 #17
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #21
I agree. meti57b Jan 2012 #22
It still seems to be the most likely possibility to me, too. nt AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #53
Israel should fight their own wars and leave us out. They have the soldiers, the weapons, and the alfredo Jan 2012 #35
That I can agree with 100%. nt AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #52
regardless of who did it, it's a craven criminal act.... mike_c Jan 2012 #2
Yeah. AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #4
That's not impossible, either--the old "Two birds with one stone" trick. NT MADem Jan 2012 #10
Scientists aren't free of ethical responsibilities bananas Jan 2012 #15
So what knowledge do you think people should be killed over learning? boppers Jan 2012 #19
"...Secretary of State Hilary Clinton denied responsibility..." unkachuck Jan 2012 #5
This is a Mossad action wtmusic Jan 2012 #6
Iran. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #7
its not the revolution that was 'too bad', that would be the us/uk coup that happened in 1953 Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2012 #18
Yeah, we keep hearing about that. Should everyone still be mad at what happened in the 40s and 50s? stevenleser Jan 2012 #39
That event was what started the path at which we are at today Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2012 #42
It's not the defining moment. It's nothing but an excuse used by religious fascists and their stevenleser Jan 2012 #48
Thats your opinion and its your right to have it, I obviously disagree Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2012 #49
They likely would have by now, but the demonizing, threats, and sanctions etc. make it... dougolat Jan 2012 #24
Israel did it. Key words "to the best of his knowledge." aka plausible deniability. Sirveri Jan 2012 #8
Define "lose" Scootaloo Jan 2012 #16
Produce the evidence Samantha Jan 2012 #11
Agreed. cstanleytech Jan 2012 #13
Our history of covert action provides some evidence for suspition, at least, no? nt dougolat Jan 2012 #26
Last time I looked though suspicion isnt proof cstanleytech Jan 2012 #32
There is plenty of evidence ronnie624 Jan 2012 #28
You are totally mistaken Samantha Jan 2012 #30
Proof-shmoof. When Isreali planes bombed Syrian nuclear facility killing dozens Fool Count Jan 2012 #44
That's not evidence. When there is a bombing, REAL evidence is left. stevenleser Jan 2012 #38
Really? Do tell. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #40
Your post isnt even enough for reasonable suspicion. nt stevenleser Jan 2012 #41
I didn't just pull my accusations out of thin air. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #47
So Iran gets busted with a lame-ass plan on the Saudi ambassador's life Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #12
My thoughts, as well. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #25
How critical was this scientist's job? If he wasn't critical to their mission, he alfredo Jan 2012 #36
Right! so "lame-ass" it smells fishy nt dougolat Jan 2012 #27
And not a shred of evidence has been produced. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #29
Why would anyone produce evidence before the trial begins? Robb Jan 2012 #50
I suppose no one would, but I don't expect any. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #51
They don't call the CIA the company for nothing. They are an international criminal enterprise. Monk06 Jan 2012 #14
Bullshit leftynyc Jan 2012 #20
Iran hangs their homosexuals? Lionel Mandrake Jan 2012 #33
Israel’s False Flag Operation Against Iran JohnyCanuck Jan 2012 #23
I think it was the People’s Mujahadeen Organization of Iran (MEK) with possible help from Israel. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #31
I think you are right. JohnyCanuck Jan 2012 #34
Why would you say that if the Iranians themselves are accusing the CIA? stevenleser Jan 2012 #37
Frankly I don't believe anything the official Israeli or US gov't sources JohnyCanuck Jan 2012 #45
Because the Iranian government doesn't want to admit hack89 Jan 2012 #46
Job opening! Check Iran listings in craigslist.org.ir truthisfreedom Jan 2012 #43
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