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hamsterjill

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103. Good post.

Reply to cstanleytech (Reply #86)

Sun Apr 18, 2021, 12:58 PM

Apr 2021

The beginning of this tragedy goes WAY back beyond the few seconds when this child was shot.

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Former DC police chief says Adam Toledo shooting 'was reasonable' [View all] DonViejo Apr 2021 OP

Has it occurred to him the inevitable result of declaring shooting defendants with arms in the air hlthe2b Apr 2021 #1

The first thing that MUST change is to stop police from shooting to kill Escurumbele Apr 2021 #12

this 'aim lower, hit a leg' has been refuted stopdiggin Apr 2021 #44

Please take the time to provide a link. Not everyone here is as well-informed as you. Thanks. TheRickles Apr 2021 #60

No. It's been discussed repeatedly and endlessly. (nt) stopdiggin Apr 2021 #68

The same cops who can empty a magazine and miss a 12" target at 30 ft NickB79 Apr 2021 #98

The only way to protect yourself now is to turn your back and raise your hands ... aggiesal Apr 2021 #52

So called police experts like him need to be kept off the airwave. LiberalFighter Apr 2021 #91

"Put your hands up!"... BANG... "He moved his hands so I shot him"... ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #2

Seemed reasonable to me as well, Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #3

He was not armed when his hands were in the air. Split second decision, I can appreciate, but your hlthe2b Apr 2021 #4

This x 1000 Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #5

What I meant is that he was armed during the confrontation. Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #6

I've watched that video repeatedly on nothing more than a typical resolution laptop. YOU CAN see the hlthe2b Apr 2021 #8

So, you are reading what the police claim and accepting it Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #10

I urge everyone to go on a "ride-a-long" with a cop a few times, I have. Dustlawyer Apr 2021 #23

Yes, it's a very challenging job. Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #42

As have I & have kept in touch with a few in leadership,whom I've worked with on community projects. hlthe2b Apr 2021 #63

Sorry that is not what happened ... aggiesal Apr 2021 #59

It doesn't matter if he was previously armed StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #82

His dumping of the gun behind the fence a second prior was obviously furtive greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #14

You are arguing a compliant unarmed, surrendering assailant FOLLOWING ORDERS can be shot regardless. hlthe2b Apr 2021 #17

Yeah, I mean, I get your point greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #20

As you well know, juries have sided with police--even in overtly unjust cases-- for decades... hlthe2b Apr 2021 #22

All I'm saying is that there are a lot of people who greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #26

Just because you agree with blaming the victim for his own homicide doesn't mean it is just nor hlthe2b Apr 2021 #30

Ok greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #33

A lot get your points Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #35

You make it an all-COPS murder crowd which it is NOT. What it is is a crowd asking for justice hlthe2b Apr 2021 #36

ah so shooting a clearly unarmed child surrendering with his hands up is ok Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #73

No, that's not really "all you're saying." At all. LanternWaste Apr 2021 #88

+1000 Fla Dem Apr 2021 #79

Here's the lesson learned by the community Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #7

Well thankfully most 13 year old boys aren't running around Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #9

"Freeze!" Cop commands Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #11

I honestly couldn't tell if the kid dropped the gun before Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #15

Weird how cops seem to make mistakes all the time, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #48

I completely agree with you and most jurors will as well. Chakaconcarne Apr 2021 #70

I agree. Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author LudwigPastorius Apr 2021 #99

the gun was dropped/tossed and the kid turned around empty handed n/t orleans Apr 2021 #90

You missed a few steps greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #16

AND YOU MISS THE IMPORTANT POINT. The assailant WAS COMPLYING with orders and holding nothing in hlthe2b Apr 2021 #19

He was holding a gun behind a screen (the fence) one second before he was shot greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #21

Again, you argue against giving previously armed assailants ANY opportunity to peacefully surrender hlthe2b Apr 2021 #25

I am not greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #31

His hands were in the air following instructions with NO gun. The decision to kill him was apparent hlthe2b Apr 2021 #27

Disagree greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #32

Shooting a complying assailant in the process of giving up, arms and empty hands clearly in air is hlthe2b Apr 2021 #34

Yeah, we disagree on this and I've made my position clear greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #41

The decision was made decades ago, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #49

There is, no doubt, a wide web of causes that led to this shooting greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #50

But a 13 year-old child Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #56

Seems much more complicated than that, though greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #58

thank you. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #74

I am shocked and utternly disheartened Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #87

I'd agree that the strobe light use by the cop was stupid and contributed to his shooting the kid. LudwigPastorius Apr 2021 #100

You've convinced me Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #45

My comments are about this specific case greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #46

of course, because there is absolutely no context to this whatsoever. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #75

Context is important greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #77

To me as well Kammer Apr 2021 #38

The cop didn't even look at the kid's hands - they were EMPTY. dalton99a Apr 2021 #13

I just saw the video once, but was startled at how fast the boy turned around and put his hands up. NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #18

Won't matter Marthe48 Apr 2021 #24

That's totally true. They likely were itching to shoot no matter what. NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #29

The cop only saw it once sarisataka Apr 2021 #37

I'm exactly where you are on this but would probably vote not to charge greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #43

Reasonable in America twodogsbarking Apr 2021 #28

Reasonable to anyone who isn't a member of the ACAB outrage brigade n/t Devil Child Apr 2021 #39

Rather the ACAB brigade than the Blue Lives Matter modern day KKK. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #53

Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #55

"Hood" ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #62

Happy to help you update your case file there Sherlock n/t Devil Child Apr 2021 #64

I'm sure you are. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #67

What does ACAB stand for? n/t NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #95

All cops are bastards Danmel Apr 2021 #101

Ohh. Thanks. Mysterious acronyms drive me crazy! n/t NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #102

How seta1950 Apr 2021 #40

Which brings up the old saw Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2021 #47

The amount of support for the killing of a brown child here is sickening. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #51

+1 million. Spent my day off on DU with this topic and it is disgusting Arazi Apr 2021 #65

Another dead brown kid means nothing to them. Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #71

... orleans Apr 2021 #92

Maybe justified in old, racist, police policies. But not today. Fla Dem Apr 2021 #54

Justified on this board also. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #69

Amazing how this rarely happens to heavily armed white guys IronLionZion Apr 2021 #57

Reasonable in America for a 13 yr old to be out on the streets with a gun at 2:30 am ? MichMan Apr 2021 #61

Good for you. Let's examine this kid's life and see if the street was safer than home AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #76

A child Latin King with street name "lil homicide" armed with a handgun and shooting at cars at 2am Devil Child Apr 2021 #81

Children are children. As a schoolteacher, I don't care. AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #84

He obeyed what the officer ordered and was killed. n/t MarcA Apr 2021 #66

Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #104

Shooting Some Of The Traitors On 1/6 Would Have Been Reasonable COL Mustard Apr 2021 #78

Two Words: KYLE RITTENHOUSE joetheman Apr 2021 #80

See response #81 AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #85

Yes it sounds like the system failed him. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #96

The attitudes and the thinking are "my point." AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #97

It depends how the video is shown madville Apr 2021 #83

I agree. NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #94

Only thing that I think might be unreasonable in this case honestly is cstanleytech Apr 2021 #86

Good post. hamsterjill Apr 2021 #103

Seems to me Ramsey's POV BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #89

IT'S. YOUR. FUCKING. JOB. Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #106

With respect BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Apr 2021 #93

So... don't bother dropping the weapon and raising your hands.... Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #105