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BumRushDaShow

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17. The "problem"
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 11:29 AM
Sep 2021

is we're not just talking about "property taxes" that were changed with the SALT change. "SALT" = "State and Local Taxes" and can include state/county/city "income taxes".

The average "suburb" is known to use property taxes in lieu of other types of taxes to get income. And you have cities like mine (Philly, which is also its own County) where you have a "city wage tax", "property taxes", AND the state's income tax on top of that. These taxes fund state and city services and fund the public schools. This is not counting our city's 2% sales tax on top of the state's 6% sales tax (where sales taxes were part of the "either/or" for deductions on federal income taxes before the "tax give-away to the wealthy" changes that were made to the tax code in 2017). And I won't even go into the fact that PA has the highest gasoline tax in the country.

The idea of a "middle class" is what has supposedly been the answer to the dichotomy of "rich" vs "poor" and it's a given that people in the "middle class" may see themselves as "poor" compared to the very wealthy, but there shouldn't be a view where they are lumped in as "very wealthy" either, when compared to the poorest among us.

Based on your profile, you indicate you live in Atlanta (although I wouldn't know if that is still true or not). I have both relatives and former co-workers/friends down there. They moved there because of the "cheap cost of living". One of my buddies was able to buy a 2-story, 3 bedroom single house with a garage and 2nd floor deck for $150K when she had moved down there. That type of house would easily cost $600K here in Philly as a "single" ("detached" ) on a 1/4 acre or more, where the typical 2-story 2 or 3 bedroom "row house" ("attached" ) has suddenly been going for $80K as the cheapest, upwards of $200K for the gut-and-renovate types, in one of the poorest neighborhoods in the city (Huntingpark/Nicetown/Tioga).

So as noted by others in this thread, the impact of the SALT change ended hitting blue states and municipalities that use tax money, whether through "property taxes" and/or income taxes (or both like here), to fund services.

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This Is An Important Reform smb Sep 2021 #1
The SALT cap was a blue state punishment berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #2
It's a cap on tax deductions for rich people. Calista241 Sep 2021 #3
Rich people already pay little to no SALT. berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #4
+1 OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2021 #5
It's a punishment for people in blue states Freddie Sep 2021 #8
It's a cap on the tax deductions of middle class homeowners in blue states . N/T lapucelle Sep 2021 #10
If you pay more than $10k in property tax per year, you are very high up in the middle class Calista241 Sep 2021 #13
The "problem" BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #17
That's not true where I live on Long Island. N/T lapucelle Sep 2021 #23
Because it's a cap on middle class families as well, some of which are barely middle class. There's KPN Sep 2021 #18
First of all TX was one of the biggest victims of the cap. cinematicdiversions Sep 2021 #14
Texas has no state income tax and the state takes more berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #21
TX has almost NJ levels of property taxes. cinematicdiversions Sep 2021 #30
That cuts both ways FBaggins Sep 2021 #20
It's easy to prevent the benefit from being too skewed to the wealthiest... thesquanderer Sep 2021 #6
Or the cap could be based on their income berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #7
THIS BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #9
Get rid of all deductions. twodogsbarking Sep 2021 #11
As a working person who pays plenty of state and federal taxes, no way. We need deductions berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #12
It is true you are taxed twice, but OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2021 #15
Most people easily hit that in MA berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #16
Most people if MA easily hit that? OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2021 #25
Yes. Two people with combined income of 100k berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #27
Two people with a six figure income should pay more taxes. cinematicdiversions Sep 2021 #31
In that scenario I would take the standard deduction. OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2021 #32
In the city of Philadelphia BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #19
You guys don't have a progressive rate? OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2021 #26
Most state income taxes are flat, yes. And you must factor in berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #28
No progressive rates BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #29
I guess the rich will get their tax cut. PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #22
I don't think they will end up with a "full repeal" BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #24
Plus forgiveness of college loans? cinematicdiversions Sep 2021 #33
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