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Igel

(37,359 posts)
23. No, that's what the words meant.
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 06:55 PM
Jan 2022

It's like the "C" in NAACP. It wasn't a racist term--that would be foolish. It was the neutral term that even those later called "African-Americans" used.

Language changes. We can't read Beowulf in the original English; we have serious troubles with Chaucer; Mallory is a bit easier, but really; and not just Shakespeare, but also Milton and, yes, Jefferson, or even Lincoln, sometimes eludes the bast educated.

"Well-regulated" even 200 years ago meant "well equipped and well trained." "Regulate" meant "compare and keep up to standard." Impose a rule, not "impose rule." It did *not* mean "somebody is in charge of punishing you if you step out of line." A regula was a rule. Educated people then knew Latin, probably some Greek, and perhaps some Hebrew, and "regulate" is Latinate.

(I mean, seriously, is it really saying a "In order to have a militia that is tightly controlled and limited by bureaucrats, the right to own and carry firearms shall not be subject to limiting laws by Congress"? No. That's self-contradictory gibberish. "In order to have speech that is tightly constrained by Congressional and executive mandates, free speech shall not be constrained" is on par. Not that some people don't [oddly and schizoidly] think this, but it's also gibberish. Up there with, "Please free me--here are the shackles and gag! I've been a bad boy." Now, having a well trained and equipped citizenry is clearly the driving force, but a lot of writing and even state constitutions at the time shed light on what the text meant in 1790 and why it was desirable. To understand others you must first realize that you need to see things as they see or saw them. I find that my high-schoolers think that's an insane idea. They are the metric for judging all things. Bodes poorly for the nation.)

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Glad to see this n/t Yandex Jan 2022 #1
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Not the onion burrowowl Jan 2022 #2
So important to have these open when just about everything besides grocery stores and drug stores progree Jan 2022 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Kaleva Jan 2022 #6
When That was Written ... PBC_Democrat Jan 2022 #9
Yeah, I agree, they chose the words "well-regulated" when they really meant "well-armed" progree Jan 2022 #12
No, that's what the words meant. Igel Jan 2022 #23
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Sigh, another linkless assertion of what something meant 200 years ago. progree Jan 2022 #28
"...bazookas and grenade launchers..." dchill Jan 2022 #36
Also when that was written, Griefbird Jan 2022 #21
That makes no sense hack89 Jan 2022 #42
Nope. Not even close. jmowreader Jan 2022 #43
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So "the people" in the 2nd doesn't refer to an individual right, but a collective one? NickB79 Jan 2022 #27
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Funny you should ask ... PBC_Democrat Jan 2022 #30
Ah, yes! The misinterpreted second amendment! Aussie105 Jan 2022 #4
"You are now part of a well regulated militia, as required by the second amendment!" EX500rider Jan 2022 #20
Were other gun stores open in the state? keithbvadu2 Jan 2022 #5
California requires you to buy guns through licensed dealers in the state ripcord Jan 2022 #8
If other gun stores were open in the state... keithbvadu2 Jan 2022 #10
So for example if one county closes bars because of super-high infection rates progree Jan 2022 #13
The 'right' to drink ... PBC_Democrat Jan 2022 #31
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If NYC closes newspaper that Adams disagrees with, Igel Jan 2022 #24
Oh, for Pete's sake. ShazzieB Jan 2022 #7
Hopefully this gets appealed to the full court. OneCrazyDiamond Jan 2022 #11
This Supreme Court would love as many 2nd Amendment... LiberatedUSA Jan 2022 #14
This Supreme Court OneCrazyDiamond Jan 2022 #17
Well, I suppose that means you can ignore their rulings. N/t LiberatedUSA Jan 2022 #18
Only If You're Okay With ... PBC_Democrat Jan 2022 #32
Rights can be suspended. OneCrazyDiamond Jan 2022 #33
Just ignore the ruling, CA. roamer65 Jan 2022 #15
+1 OneCrazyDiamond Jan 2022 #16
To be honest... LiberatedUSA Jan 2022 #19
Only in America can you buy a gun when everything else is shut down. Initech Jan 2022 #22
Well leave it to the gun fetishists to keep the gun stores open. I suppose they need them to kill madinmaryland Jan 2022 #29
There's a gun store I pass on my way to my dentist. They had a big TRUMP banner for a long time Rhiannon12866 Jan 2022 #40
The determination of what was deemed "essential" in many states was very inconsistent & odd. MichMan Jan 2022 #41
Which state was this in? jmowreader Jan 2022 #44
Michigan MichMan Jan 2022 #45
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