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(101,316 posts) Tue Mar 8, 2022, 08:21 PM Mar 2022

US dismisses Polish plan to provide fighter jets to be sent to Ukraine [View all]

Source: The Guardian

Poland has said it will hand over its MiG-29 fighter jets to the US, in a move which appeared to take Washington by surprise and was quickly dismissed by the Pentagon.
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But the Pentagon appeared to reject the proposal, saying it was not “tenable”.

In a statement, the US Department of Defense said the prospect of the jets departing from the base “to fly into airspace that is contested with Russia over Ukraine raises serious concerns for the entire Nato alliance”.

“We will continue to consult with Poland and our other Nato allies about this issue and the difficult logistical challenges it presents, but we do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one,” John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/08/poland-mig-29-jets-us-ukraine

Back to the drawing board.

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US dismisses Polish plan to provide fighter jets to be sent to Ukraine [View all] muriel_volestrangler Mar 2022 OP

F..K!!! PortTack Mar 2022 #1

It sounds like the problem is delivery. blue-wave Mar 2022 #84

Public Statements Roy Rolling Mar 2022 #87

Shame! Tomconroy Mar 2022 #2

Um OLDMDDEM Mar 2022 #3

I just typed the same question. Why go to a USAF base? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #6

That's not the issue Abnredleg Mar 2022 #12

Russia is bombing cities and Zelensky has requested wnylib Mar 2022 #69

Zelensky doesn't get to decide when we go to war Abnredleg Mar 2022 #72

Sorry, but I just don't believe either claim. wnylib Mar 2022 #74

I think I'll go with the military experts on this /NT Abnredleg Mar 2022 #75

There is a thread on the main DU page about this, wnylib Mar 2022 #79

I understand the frustration Abnredleg Mar 2022 #80

What would tip the balance are A-10 Warthogs Pluvious Mar 2022 #76

A-10s can't operate in contested airspace Abnredleg Mar 2022 #77

So what they REALLY need... Pluvious Mar 2022 #78

And sharks with lasers on their heads Abnredleg Mar 2022 #81

wtf bluewater Mar 2022 #4

Why don't the Ukrainian pilots go to Poland to get the Polish planes? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #5

Poland is in NATO too, so what's the difference? bluewater Mar 2022 #8

It is seen as escalation by the US? And the Baltics are afraid of Putin too. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #14

So we want Poland to take the hit for us?!? bluewater Mar 2022 #17

It looks like the US/Germany don't want to make this a NATO gift? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #25

Poland is a NATO country. bluewater Mar 2022 #27

Maybe we could put the planes on some random civilian barge and float them to Ukraine? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #33

nod bluewater Mar 2022 #36

saying it was not "tenable". I suggest that Ukraine sovereignty and survival may be not "tenable." Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #40

Something is badly scaring NATO? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #48

sounds right. I'm sure Ukraine regrets giving up their nukes. Would not have happened. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #51

Yep. They gave up nukes and did not join NATO to appease Putin. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #52

My fantasy... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #61

Oh the Russian onion domes are so striking, but I hear you. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #65

We suffered from 9/11... now its Russia's turn n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #66

This is the US Pentagon and they cannot come up with a fucking solution to this problem? Bev54 Mar 2022 #28

Putin really has us over a barrel it looks like. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #38

Whatever happened with the Space Force, laser guided smart bombs, etc... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #62

Right, we spend $800 Billion a year for our military. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #67

They have a point jmowreader Mar 2022 #7

Then almighty HELL FIRE will rain down on him. Haggis 4 Breakfast Mar 2022 #63

Only delaying the inevitable. After he conquers Ukraine, he will want the Baltic states. Ray Bruns Mar 2022 #88

I see what they're saying, but c'mon! WORK AROUND! sprinkleeninow Mar 2022 #9

I'd rather give the Ukraine some 30+ year old F-16s as opposed to some ancient soviet machinery. Crowman2009 Mar 2022 #10

I don't think any Ukrainian pilots are trained for the F-16 muriel_volestrangler Mar 2022 #16

Yes they are Deminpenn Mar 2022 #31

Great, send Ukraine some more f-16's on "credit" then. bluewater Mar 2022 #34

Poland has F-16s, not Ukraine Deminpenn Mar 2022 #37

Umm... cilla4progress Mar 2022 #11

I'm thinking the 20 something Migs doesn't meet their risk/reward criteria. Dealing with yaesu Mar 2022 #13

I guess that answers the question on how they would get there.... Sapient Donkey Mar 2022 #15

"Is it just the ability to have one be more discrete than the other?" bluewater Mar 2022 #32

Why can't Ukrainian pilots go into Poland and fly the planes to Ukraine? Lonestarblue Mar 2022 #18

Poland seems afraid to do that, apparently. bluewater Mar 2022 #22

They cant fly into a war zone from a NATO country. James48 Mar 2022 #60

Fly the planes to a non-NATO country. Lonestarblue Mar 2022 #68

IF Maldova wants to do it. James48 Mar 2022 #73

Does Moldova have a suitable airfield? They are next on the list for Russian attacks n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #82

👍 TomWilm Mar 2022 #85

It didn't make much sense to me when I heard it this afternoon bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #19

I am afraid you nailed it. bluewater Mar 2022 #23

According to Ukraine Parliament member on Ari cilla4progress Mar 2022 #20

I am pretty sure the poles just said this to questionseverything Mar 2022 #30

Huh, I just read on DU the plan was a "go". BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #21

Unfortunately its was a "go" from Poland's point of view, not the US. n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #70

We'd better fix this by tomorrow. BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #71

Booooo! mysteryowl Mar 2022 #24

Also here, earlier, w/ Ted Lieu's tweet Grasswire2 Mar 2022 #26

Ahh, the art of misdirection lol Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #29

I hope so. n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #43

What im cilla4progress Mar 2022 #44

Not surprised Deminpenn Mar 2022 #35

But it's our plan, everyone knows that. bluewater Mar 2022 #39

Excellent question Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #42

NATO wants to contain the war in Deminpenn Mar 2022 #49

Unfortunately this reinforces the GQP depiction of Biden looking weak... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #41

Could Biden over rule the Pentagon? sinkingfeeling Mar 2022 #57

We live in a democratic republic... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #58

Sure he can Polybius Mar 2022 #95

What a clusterf*ck! Yorkie Mom Mar 2022 #45

Just leave them on the tarmac with the keys in them... EarthFirst Mar 2022 #46

Why is this being done in public? List left Mar 2022 #47

Dismantle them, move them across the border, reassemble them. oldsoftie Mar 2022 #50

That's not good. honest.abe Mar 2022 #53

They'll have to "give" them to some neutral country... regnaD kciN Mar 2022 #54

Hope this works out. honest.abe Mar 2022 #56

We have the most exensive military in the world and they're backing sinkingfeeling Mar 2022 #55

I Cringed When I Heard The Polish Proposal DallasNE Mar 2022 #59

Europe needs to take the lead, we should follow n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #64

Then write Ukraine in as a member of NATO and be done with it. Send everything you have. flying_wahini Mar 2022 #83

Let's all be honest here. We won't/can't help Ukraine. AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #86

Why? nowforever Mar 2022 #89

Joe Biden needs to get his generals and admirals in a room Ray Bruns Mar 2022 #90

The order probably came from Biden Polybius Mar 2022 #94

Could this be a smoke screen to make Russia think Ukraine is not getting them? Emile Mar 2022 #91

can someone explain to me bdamomma Mar 2022 #92

I remember MiGs departing from sanctuary bases in China to engage US jets over Korea and Vietnam. Marcuse Mar 2022 #93