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16. I don't think any Ukrainian pilots are trained for the F-16

Reply to Crowman2009 (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 8, 2022, 08:34 PM

Mar 2022

While there are some small differences between Polish and Ukrainian Mig-29s, it's not much, and the idea was they'd be able to fly them in combat quickly. Training from scratch would take too long.

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US dismisses Polish plan to provide fighter jets to be sent to Ukraine [View all] muriel_volestrangler Mar 2022 OP

F..K!!! PortTack Mar 2022 #1

It sounds like the problem is delivery. blue-wave Mar 2022 #84

Public Statements Roy Rolling Mar 2022 #87

Shame! Tomconroy Mar 2022 #2

Um OLDMDDEM Mar 2022 #3

I just typed the same question. Why go to a USAF base? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #6

That's not the issue Abnredleg Mar 2022 #12

Russia is bombing cities and Zelensky has requested wnylib Mar 2022 #69

Zelensky doesn't get to decide when we go to war Abnredleg Mar 2022 #72

Sorry, but I just don't believe either claim. wnylib Mar 2022 #74

I think I'll go with the military experts on this /NT Abnredleg Mar 2022 #75

There is a thread on the main DU page about this, wnylib Mar 2022 #79

I understand the frustration Abnredleg Mar 2022 #80

What would tip the balance are A-10 Warthogs Pluvious Mar 2022 #76

A-10s can't operate in contested airspace Abnredleg Mar 2022 #77

So what they REALLY need... Pluvious Mar 2022 #78

And sharks with lasers on their heads Abnredleg Mar 2022 #81

wtf bluewater Mar 2022 #4

Why don't the Ukrainian pilots go to Poland to get the Polish planes? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #5

Poland is in NATO too, so what's the difference? bluewater Mar 2022 #8

It is seen as escalation by the US? And the Baltics are afraid of Putin too. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #14

So we want Poland to take the hit for us?!? bluewater Mar 2022 #17

It looks like the US/Germany don't want to make this a NATO gift? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #25

Poland is a NATO country. bluewater Mar 2022 #27

Maybe we could put the planes on some random civilian barge and float them to Ukraine? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #33

nod bluewater Mar 2022 #36

saying it was not "tenable". I suggest that Ukraine sovereignty and survival may be not "tenable." Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #40

Something is badly scaring NATO? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #48

sounds right. I'm sure Ukraine regrets giving up their nukes. Would not have happened. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #51

Yep. They gave up nukes and did not join NATO to appease Putin. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #52

My fantasy... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #61

Oh the Russian onion domes are so striking, but I hear you. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #65

We suffered from 9/11... now its Russia's turn n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #66

This is the US Pentagon and they cannot come up with a fucking solution to this problem? Bev54 Mar 2022 #28

Putin really has us over a barrel it looks like. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #38

Whatever happened with the Space Force, laser guided smart bombs, etc... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #62

Right, we spend $800 Billion a year for our military. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #67

They have a point jmowreader Mar 2022 #7

Then almighty HELL FIRE will rain down on him. Haggis 4 Breakfast Mar 2022 #63

Only delaying the inevitable. After he conquers Ukraine, he will want the Baltic states. Ray Bruns Mar 2022 #88

I see what they're saying, but c'mon! WORK AROUND! sprinkleeninow Mar 2022 #9

I'd rather give the Ukraine some 30+ year old F-16s as opposed to some ancient soviet machinery. Crowman2009 Mar 2022 #10

I don't think any Ukrainian pilots are trained for the F-16 muriel_volestrangler Mar 2022 #16

Yes they are Deminpenn Mar 2022 #31

Great, send Ukraine some more f-16's on "credit" then. bluewater Mar 2022 #34

Poland has F-16s, not Ukraine Deminpenn Mar 2022 #37

Umm... cilla4progress Mar 2022 #11

I'm thinking the 20 something Migs doesn't meet their risk/reward criteria. Dealing with yaesu Mar 2022 #13

I guess that answers the question on how they would get there.... Sapient Donkey Mar 2022 #15

"Is it just the ability to have one be more discrete than the other?" bluewater Mar 2022 #32

Why can't Ukrainian pilots go into Poland and fly the planes to Ukraine? Lonestarblue Mar 2022 #18

Poland seems afraid to do that, apparently. bluewater Mar 2022 #22

They cant fly into a war zone from a NATO country. James48 Mar 2022 #60

Fly the planes to a non-NATO country. Lonestarblue Mar 2022 #68

IF Maldova wants to do it. James48 Mar 2022 #73

Does Moldova have a suitable airfield? They are next on the list for Russian attacks n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #82

👍 TomWilm Mar 2022 #85

It didn't make much sense to me when I heard it this afternoon bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #19

I am afraid you nailed it. bluewater Mar 2022 #23

According to Ukraine Parliament member on Ari cilla4progress Mar 2022 #20

I am pretty sure the poles just said this to questionseverything Mar 2022 #30

Huh, I just read on DU the plan was a "go". BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #21

Unfortunately its was a "go" from Poland's point of view, not the US. n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #70

We'd better fix this by tomorrow. BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #71

Booooo! mysteryowl Mar 2022 #24

Also here, earlier, w/ Ted Lieu's tweet Grasswire2 Mar 2022 #26

Ahh, the art of misdirection lol Cheezoholic Mar 2022 #29

I hope so. n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #43

What im cilla4progress Mar 2022 #44

Not surprised Deminpenn Mar 2022 #35

But it's our plan, everyone knows that. bluewater Mar 2022 #39

Excellent question Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #42

NATO wants to contain the war in Deminpenn Mar 2022 #49

Unfortunately this reinforces the GQP depiction of Biden looking weak... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #41

Could Biden over rule the Pentagon? sinkingfeeling Mar 2022 #57

We live in a democratic republic... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #58

Sure he can Polybius Mar 2022 #95

What a clusterf*ck! Yorkie Mom Mar 2022 #45

Just leave them on the tarmac with the keys in them... EarthFirst Mar 2022 #46

Why is this being done in public? List left Mar 2022 #47

Dismantle them, move them across the border, reassemble them. oldsoftie Mar 2022 #50

That's not good. honest.abe Mar 2022 #53

They'll have to "give" them to some neutral country... regnaD kciN Mar 2022 #54

Hope this works out. honest.abe Mar 2022 #56

We have the most exensive military in the world and they're backing sinkingfeeling Mar 2022 #55

I Cringed When I Heard The Polish Proposal DallasNE Mar 2022 #59

Europe needs to take the lead, we should follow n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #64

Then write Ukraine in as a member of NATO and be done with it. Send everything you have. flying_wahini Mar 2022 #83

Let's all be honest here. We won't/can't help Ukraine. AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #86

Why? nowforever Mar 2022 #89

Joe Biden needs to get his generals and admirals in a room Ray Bruns Mar 2022 #90

The order probably came from Biden Polybius Mar 2022 #94

Could this be a smoke screen to make Russia think Ukraine is not getting them? Emile Mar 2022 #91

can someone explain to me bdamomma Mar 2022 #92

I remember MiGs departing from sanctuary bases in China to engage US jets over Korea and Vietnam. Marcuse Mar 2022 #93