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BumRushDaShow

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28. I expect that the members of the National Security Council
Tue Aug 23, 2022, 06:30 AM
Aug 2022

would probably had the authority to access the materials.

In general, routine chain of custody has a procedure and process within any federal agency that requires it for evidence collection and/or information management (from my experience before retiring from a federal agency with regulatory authority), so anything related to national security would have those highest levels of information access and document control.

I remember early on during Obama's first term when an IRS employee had been fired for actually accessing and "reading/reviewing" various tax filings in IRS's data system, without those returns being part of their assigned workload. I.,e., the system had an access log for who logged in when, and what was accessed.

Removal of 13-Year Employee Upheld by Court

The Internal Revenue takes accessing taxpayer databases without an official business purpose seriously. The first offense can–and does–lead to removal. This 13-year federal employee was fired and the court upholds the removal.


By Susan McGuire Smith July 30, 2009 6:22 AM


Yet another employee of the Internal Revenue Service has learned the hard way that the agency has no tolerance for its employees accessing taxpayer databases without an official business purpose. (McLeod v. Department of the Treasury, C.A.F.C. No. 2008-3335 (nonprecedential), 6/17/09)

In this latest case, a Tax Examining Technician with a good 13-year employment record nevertheless was fired for accessing the agency’s taxpayer database without official reason or authorization on 15 separate occasions over several years. (Opinion p. 2)

The database is IDRS, the Integrated Data Retrieval System. IRS refers to the offense as UNAX, unauthorized access and inspection of taxpayer records. The agency demonstrated that McLeod went to the annual agency training sessions that outline the requirements and the seriousness of the offense.

The court’s characterization that the offense is “treated very seriously by the IRS…” is an understatement since the agency’s table of penalties calls for removal on the first offense unless the individual taxpayer has given consent. (p. 2)

(snip)

https://www.fedsmith.com/2009/07/30/removal-13year-employee-upheld-by-court/


Similarly, there was a GAO investigation in the above with a report that released a few months ago -

Hundreds of IRS employees wrongfully accessed taxpayer information over last 10 years

Jory Heckman@jheckmanWFED
May 19, 2022 5:27 pm


Several hundred IRS employees over the past decade violated the agency’s policies around unauthorized access to sensitive taxpayer information.

Sensitive taxpayer information obtained by a news outlet last year led the Government Accountability Office, at a senator’s request, to conduct such a review.

GAO, in its report, found that the IRS completed nearly 1,700 investigations of alleged willful unauthorized access of tax data by employees between fiscal 2012 and 2021.

Of those investigations, the IRS determined that in 462 cases — 27% of cases — the employee in question violated the agency’s policy on unauthorized access to taxpayer records.

(snip)

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/agency-oversight/2022/05/hundreds-of-irs-employees-wrongfully-accessed-taxpayer-information-over-last-10-years/


And I know there are different levels of what is considered "Sensitive" info which the tax returns would be and that is down on the lower levels when compared to info that is "Classified/Top Secret".

So I would speculate that there are multiple national security database systems that are NOT connected anywhere on the internet, and house this info, and those classified systems are encrypted, biometrically accessed (whether via an access card or literal biometric scan), and have an extraordinary amount of logging of activity for them.

It's possible that those types of documents were "watermarked" on the electronic file as "Classified" / "Top Secret" in the database itself so when printed, they would have the watermark already on them (including any other required ancillary tracking number) vs printing out a document and manually stamping it with an ink stamp.
We have seen only the tip of the iceberg. sheshe2 Aug 2022 #1
Of course, the NYT buries the lede... Fiendish Thingy Aug 2022 #2
So they moniss Aug 2022 #6
All that stuff is tracked when it was first "requested/taken out" for viewing BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #7
I was wondering about that. essaynnc Aug 2022 #13
I expect that the members of the National Security Council BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #28
But not photocopies or smart phone copies or spy camera copies (think trenchcoat & Minox camera). nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2022 #26
Doesn't matter BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #30
Does matter. Once chain of custody is lost, then anyone might have seen/copied them. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2022 #31
You just made my point BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #32
First I've heard that. Yes! Most important part! nt Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2022 #15
Isn't going through the boxes a crime by himself? Renew Deal Aug 2022 #19
At the very least, reviewing SCIF materials outside of a SCIF is some kind of crime. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2022 #27
Going through the boxes after the Archives demanded the records proves knowledge and intent Fiendish Thingy Aug 2022 #39
Not just that, but some of those were of the highest classification level Novara Aug 2022 #38
Wonder how long before we REALLY know wha they found? oldsoftie Aug 2022 #3
Most of it we will never know. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #4
Hopefully. dchill Aug 2022 #5
But they could say "Had a list of covert agents in various foreign countries" oldsoftie Aug 2022 #50
I agree. It is to the point that the American people must have some answers. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #51
I agree. We have to know & it better be clear. oldsoftie Aug 2022 #53
Wash DC has a long time history of covering up the sins and crimes of its presidents. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #54
There is bound to be more Jarqui Aug 2022 #8
Just read he is only running IF repukes take control of House & Senate. Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2022 #16
Why would that be a criteria? Jarqui Aug 2022 #20
Guess he doesn't know length of term for Reps huh Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2022 #21
Then he's not running. The Dems will add a seat or 2 in the Senate. oldsoftie Aug 2022 #49
Were these photographed and sent to anyone via phones or computers? chowder66 Aug 2022 #9
How much prison time orangecrush Aug 2022 #10
The real tipoff was that the top-secret documents in the boxes were filed in various folders labeled royable Aug 2022 #11
Rep. Swalwell and Chris Hayes were just discussing the same thing! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2022 #12
I know with Donald we keep breaking new ground due to his antics; Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2022 #14
Guess with that level never needed anything but the honor system. Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2022 #17
antics NJCher Aug 2022 #23
We've heard that something similar to that happens - to determine which documents need to remain Rhiannon12866 Aug 2022 #25
We need to keep on investigating and following up the obvious signs of criminal behavior. Martin68 Aug 2022 #18
"...Trump went through the boxes himself in late 2021" Grins Aug 2022 #22
Trump is always pretending to be a childish man as a way of deflecting people from Ford_Prefect Aug 2022 #24
Hillary had 3 emails poorly marked as classified on her server Jarqui Aug 2022 #29
You would think that would be the case padah513 Aug 2022 #35
Gah, NYT! Novara Aug 2022 #33
Remember that these documents do not belong to DOJ nor are tracked by them BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #34
ultimately they are clearly government property Novara Aug 2022 #37
Well some of it is click-baity BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #41
I doubt we'll EVER know the extent of his treachery in this case. Novara Aug 2022 #42
Here's the thing BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #43
I totally agree Novara Aug 2022 #44
I had posted this in another thread BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #45
And that's why he wants the affifdavit unsealed Novara Aug 2022 #46
Yup. BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #52
One year for each offense? VWolf Aug 2022 #36
I wonder if any other country will ever share sensitive information with us again. Scrivener7 Aug 2022 #40
Great post...here is the O'Donnell information from last night. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #47
trump's piggy bank Bayard Aug 2022 #48
People may have died or been killed due to TFG's stupidity and/or greed LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #55
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