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BumRushDaShow

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8. IMHO

Reply to doc03 (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 10:16 AM

Jan 2023

this "investment" has actually been the best in decades when compared to Iraq, Kuwait, and Afghanistan.

However Ukraine is in the unfortunate position of not "officially" being a part of NATO nor the EU, and that is what has hindered a more full-throated engagement. If anything, since they are sitting there in Europe, it really is an issue that Europe needs to address. But the EU has also been more entwined in energy commerce with Russia for too long and that has also been a major factor hindering their responsiveness (not wanting to bite the hand that feeds them).

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After US offer, Germany unleashes Leopard tanks for Ukraine [View all] BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 OP

They must have gotten the financial deals they wanted. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #1

The leopard 2 isn't actually an "Advanced battle tank" Layzeebeaver Jan 2023 #2

But it's a hell of a lot better than the T72 and T80 Ray Bruns Jan 2023 #3

yes. however... fourteen. Layzeebeaver Jan 2023 #4

14 is the initial number going to Ukraine, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #5

Let's see what happens Layzeebeaver Jan 2023 #10

Those hundreds of T72s are spread out over a long front. Kaleva Jan 2023 #14

I think if all comes together the number is higher. The Jungle 1 Jan 2023 #9

I know we have to support Ukraine. But it is just like every other conflict we get involved in doc03 Jan 2023 #6

I get a sense that that's not the case here, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #7

IMHO BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #8

The Abrams is not a good choice RainCaster Jan 2023 #11

That's not entirely true, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #12

I think this is why we initially announced Strykers and more Bradleys BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #13

I agree that the Abrams is not the right weapon for Ukraine, but Germany needed a symbolic gesture Martin68 Jan 2023 #16

MCE has the truth of it, although calling it a 'jet engine' makes the confusion understandable. Aristus Jan 2023 #18

The diplomatic process requires a bit of kabuki for both the domestic audience and the international Martin68 Jan 2023 #15

K&R for good news! Bayard Jan 2023 #17