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BumRushDaShow

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64. No it's way "off base" to distort what the background of this issue is
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:59 AM
Mar 2023
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217727792

A big problem in the "environmental" space, is the conflicting ideals and goals of each group.

One group demands use of more renewables like wind energy which involves wind turbines but then THAT clashes with those who are ornithologists who are concerned with some of the turbines that are obviously in the best positions to be effective to take advantage of natural wind currents, but that are also in the very areas where bird migration patterns happen because of those self-same wind currents.

Similar has happened with a push for more and better use of solar energy and natural sunlight, where new skyscrapers have now been built with more "open" designs and glass to let in more natural sunlight in order to cut down on energy use for daytime lighting, and then allow for more lighting at night, and that resulted in flocks of birds not realizing there was glass in windows in these buildings, and they flew head on into them, ending up dead on the sidewalk -



Glass-walled buildings can mean death for birds, killing 1 to 5 percent of them a year
By Deseret News
Aug 10, 2009, 11:23am EDT

Karen Knee, The Philadelphia Inquirer


PHILADELPHIA (MCT) — The front of Temple University's student center is an almost seamless wall of glass, reflecting trees and sky in lifelike detail and adding visual appeal to the urban landscape. But, for the city's winged residents, the glinting surface can be a killing zone.

The very qualities that people prize in glass — its transparency and reflectiveness — make it invisible to birds, who mistake the reflections for reality. They often fly straight into windows, and, according to a study by the New York City Audubon Society, the impact kills them nine times out of 10.

Bird-window mishaps have been overlooked until recently, said Muhlenberg College ornithologist Daniel Klem Jr., who has researched the problem for three decades. In the last five years, environmental groups, city governments, and schools such as Temple and Swarthmore have begun seeking ways to prevent the crashes.

Still, those efforts are dwarfed by the scale of the problem. In a paper published this spring, Klem estimated that 520 birds crash into windows and die during the four-month fall and spring migratory period each year in an average 10-square-block urban area. In Philadelphia, located along the Atlantic Flyway, that adds up to more than 40,000 bird deaths during the annual migrations.

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https://www.deseret.com/2009/8/10/20333811/glass-walled-buildings-can-mean-death-for-birds-killing-1-to-5-percent-of-them-a-year


In another example, environmental proponents of the past had pushed for alternatives for pesticides with use of "natural" predators - bringing an untold number of what has now become the invasive Asian lady beetle into the United States - which has crowded out the native American ladybug. Untold billions and billions sold in stores and online.



https://phl17.com/phl17-news/this-ladybug-look-alike-can-be-very-harmful-for-you-and-your-pets/

So there are good intentions but POOR critical thinking going on in the movement.

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bloomberg... orleans Mar 2023 #1
NYT re environmental impact... ancianita Mar 2023 #3
Well shit. Autumn Mar 2023 #2
Al Gore warns it would be 'recklessly irresponsible' to allow Alaska oil drilling plan Celerity Mar 2023 #17
He is correct G_j Mar 2023 #32
He's right. This negates everything Biden has done with climate change. Autumn Mar 2023 #35
We are not serious about our addiction to oil. Thunderbeast Mar 2023 #4
Thats due to our limited options atm for the power requirements we have here cstanleytech Mar 2023 #15
It is not our addiction to oil. former9thward Mar 2023 #37
Humans are too stupid to avert a catastrophe Mysterian Mar 2023 #60
I pity the later generations... DemocraticPatriot Mar 2023 #47
Great post. hamsterjill Mar 2023 #62
Drill baby drill inwiththenew Mar 2023 #5
Rome will burn, whether Nero accompanies or not. jaxexpat Mar 2023 #6
This decision truly saddens me. pazzyanne Mar 2023 #7
Why a Billion Crabs Have Suddenly Vanished From the Bering Sea Botany Mar 2023 #8
Not Joe Manchin BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #11
Methane Manchin orthoclad Mar 2023 #21
Well he advocates for fossil fuel use in his state for energy production BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #23
He's pushing for that "streamlined" process orthoclad Mar 2023 #24
That doesn't matter here BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #26
Manchin slams Biden's 'radical climate agenda' in delay of oil leasing Celerity Mar 2023 #34
The Alaska wells aren't "offshore" BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #36
Right. They're inland. ancianita Mar 2023 #38
With the last update to the OP, I actually grabbed and added a snapshot of the map to show the area BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #40
Right. Sorry, got caught up in the thread and missed your OP map. ancianita Mar 2023 #43
I know they are a bunch of hours difference from ET BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #45
This is good history. I knew the Alaska Reserve existed before Obama, and now you've ancianita Mar 2023 #48
+1 betsuni Mar 2023 #51
Wiping out farms of life, that help sustain man, is not the way forward, it cuts off a "hand'... MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #12
May reason rule! Botany Mar 2023 #14
Happy Monday y'all! Man's Reasoned Progress is Always at War with Malevolent Actors MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #18
So the media was right in last week's prediction on this one. Biden has some explaining to do Raven123 Mar 2023 #9
"I can imagine he is trying to calculate our need for fossil fuels and our need to be independent" BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #10
Blue Dog Member FredGarvin Mar 2023 #31
She is brand new BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #33
We're already gas & oil independent, and the #1 oil exporter on the planet. ancianita Mar 2023 #39
Yeah the "carve out" regions were announced ahead of this BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #42
"Bare minimum." That's exactly what Biden is doing. ancianita Mar 2023 #44
Here in PA, we have the Marcellus shale fields BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #46
Cool. Part of the shale revolution that made us energy independent, not dependent on ancianita Mar 2023 #49
We need to see the environmental impact statement, Bayard Mar 2023 #13
Rep. Mary Pelota (D, at-large AK) wrote an editorial last week BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #16
"We can't shoulder the burden of fixing global climate change alone." Bayard Mar 2023 #50
Most of the oil production is coming out of states like TX and the Gulf of Mexico BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #54
I had no idea either Bayard Mar 2023 #55
Thank you for that link! (again sorry to unload the below as a reply but I use for later reference) BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #57
Thank you! betsuni Mar 2023 #52
The environmental impact of drilling and using oil is well known already. Magoo48 Mar 2023 #25
He's not talking out of both sides of his mouth. Here's what the AP reported ancianita Mar 2023 #41
A sellout orthoclad Mar 2023 #19
Can anyone tell this Democrat why Willow was approved when environmentalists Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #20
Follow the money orthoclad Mar 2023 #22
Because the Democrat who just got elected there for a full term this past November BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #27
Thanks, I guess that is as good an answer as any. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #28
I listened to what she had to say BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #29
Didn't realize it was her decision News Junkie Mar 2023 #59
She represents the state of AK as their at-large member of Congress BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #61
And Joe Biden represents the country News Junkie Mar 2023 #63
No it's way "off base" to distort what the background of this issue is BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #64
So much for his campaign promise of no new drilling on public lands ripcord Mar 2023 #30
This decision, in my opinion, blue-wave Mar 2023 #53
Biden had no leverage to ban Willow; negotiated a 40% reduction Justice Mar 2023 #56
This why I pointed out what environmentalists need to be focussing on BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #58
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