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In reply to the discussion: Biden administration approves limited development of Alaska's Willow oil project [View all]BumRushDaShow
(168,788 posts)64. No it's way "off base" to distort what the background of this issue is
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217727792
A big problem in the "environmental" space, is the conflicting ideals and goals of each group.
One group demands use of more renewables like wind energy which involves wind turbines but then THAT clashes with those who are ornithologists who are concerned with some of the turbines that are obviously in the best positions to be effective to take advantage of natural wind currents, but that are also in the very areas where bird migration patterns happen because of those self-same wind currents.
Similar has happened with a push for more and better use of solar energy and natural sunlight, where new skyscrapers have now been built with more "open" designs and glass to let in more natural sunlight in order to cut down on energy use for daytime lighting, and then allow for more lighting at night, and that resulted in flocks of birds not realizing there was glass in windows in these buildings, and they flew head on into them, ending up dead on the sidewalk -

In another example, environmental proponents of the past had pushed for alternatives for pesticides with use of "natural" predators - bringing an untold number of what has now become the invasive Asian lady beetle into the United States - which has crowded out the native American ladybug. Untold billions and billions sold in stores and online.

https://phl17.com/phl17-news/this-ladybug-look-alike-can-be-very-harmful-for-you-and-your-pets/
So there are good intentions but POOR critical thinking going on in the movement.
A big problem in the "environmental" space, is the conflicting ideals and goals of each group.
One group demands use of more renewables like wind energy which involves wind turbines but then THAT clashes with those who are ornithologists who are concerned with some of the turbines that are obviously in the best positions to be effective to take advantage of natural wind currents, but that are also in the very areas where bird migration patterns happen because of those self-same wind currents.
Similar has happened with a push for more and better use of solar energy and natural sunlight, where new skyscrapers have now been built with more "open" designs and glass to let in more natural sunlight in order to cut down on energy use for daytime lighting, and then allow for more lighting at night, and that resulted in flocks of birds not realizing there was glass in windows in these buildings, and they flew head on into them, ending up dead on the sidewalk -

Glass-walled buildings can mean death for birds, killing 1 to 5 percent of them a year
By Deseret News
Aug 10, 2009, 11:23am EDT
Karen Knee, The Philadelphia Inquirer
PHILADELPHIA (MCT) The front of Temple University's student center is an almost seamless wall of glass, reflecting trees and sky in lifelike detail and adding visual appeal to the urban landscape. But, for the city's winged residents, the glinting surface can be a killing zone.
The very qualities that people prize in glass its transparency and reflectiveness make it invisible to birds, who mistake the reflections for reality. They often fly straight into windows, and, according to a study by the New York City Audubon Society, the impact kills them nine times out of 10.
Bird-window mishaps have been overlooked until recently, said Muhlenberg College ornithologist Daniel Klem Jr., who has researched the problem for three decades. In the last five years, environmental groups, city governments, and schools such as Temple and Swarthmore have begun seeking ways to prevent the crashes.
Still, those efforts are dwarfed by the scale of the problem. In a paper published this spring, Klem estimated that 520 birds crash into windows and die during the four-month fall and spring migratory period each year in an average 10-square-block urban area. In Philadelphia, located along the Atlantic Flyway, that adds up to more than 40,000 bird deaths during the annual migrations.
(snip)
https://www.deseret.com/2009/8/10/20333811/glass-walled-buildings-can-mean-death-for-birds-killing-1-to-5-percent-of-them-a-year
By Deseret News
Aug 10, 2009, 11:23am EDT
Karen Knee, The Philadelphia Inquirer
PHILADELPHIA (MCT) The front of Temple University's student center is an almost seamless wall of glass, reflecting trees and sky in lifelike detail and adding visual appeal to the urban landscape. But, for the city's winged residents, the glinting surface can be a killing zone.
The very qualities that people prize in glass its transparency and reflectiveness make it invisible to birds, who mistake the reflections for reality. They often fly straight into windows, and, according to a study by the New York City Audubon Society, the impact kills them nine times out of 10.
Bird-window mishaps have been overlooked until recently, said Muhlenberg College ornithologist Daniel Klem Jr., who has researched the problem for three decades. In the last five years, environmental groups, city governments, and schools such as Temple and Swarthmore have begun seeking ways to prevent the crashes.
Still, those efforts are dwarfed by the scale of the problem. In a paper published this spring, Klem estimated that 520 birds crash into windows and die during the four-month fall and spring migratory period each year in an average 10-square-block urban area. In Philadelphia, located along the Atlantic Flyway, that adds up to more than 40,000 bird deaths during the annual migrations.
(snip)
https://www.deseret.com/2009/8/10/20333811/glass-walled-buildings-can-mean-death-for-birds-killing-1-to-5-percent-of-them-a-year
In another example, environmental proponents of the past had pushed for alternatives for pesticides with use of "natural" predators - bringing an untold number of what has now become the invasive Asian lady beetle into the United States - which has crowded out the native American ladybug. Untold billions and billions sold in stores and online.

https://phl17.com/phl17-news/this-ladybug-look-alike-can-be-very-harmful-for-you-and-your-pets/
So there are good intentions but POOR critical thinking going on in the movement.
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Biden administration approves limited development of Alaska's Willow oil project [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2023
OP
Al Gore warns it would be 'recklessly irresponsible' to allow Alaska oil drilling plan
Celerity
Mar 2023
#17
Thats due to our limited options atm for the power requirements we have here
cstanleytech
Mar 2023
#15
With the last update to the OP, I actually grabbed and added a snapshot of the map to show the area
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2023
#40
This is good history. I knew the Alaska Reserve existed before Obama, and now you've
ancianita
Mar 2023
#48
Wiping out farms of life, that help sustain man, is not the way forward, it cuts off a "hand'...
MayReasonRule
Mar 2023
#12
Happy Monday y'all! Man's Reasoned Progress is Always at War with Malevolent Actors
MayReasonRule
Mar 2023
#18
So the media was right in last week's prediction on this one. Biden has some explaining to do
Raven123
Mar 2023
#9
"I can imagine he is trying to calculate our need for fossil fuels and our need to be independent"
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2023
#10
Cool. Part of the shale revolution that made us energy independent, not dependent on
ancianita
Mar 2023
#49
Most of the oil production is coming out of states like TX and the Gulf of Mexico
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2023
#54
Thank you for that link! (again sorry to unload the below as a reply but I use for later reference)
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2023
#57
Can anyone tell this Democrat why Willow was approved when environmentalists
Ferrets are Cool
Mar 2023
#20
Because the Democrat who just got elected there for a full term this past November
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2023
#27