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erronis

(17,485 posts)
17. A fair amount of chatter about how Nate Silver has his own real gambling problem.
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 08:53 AM
Sep 2024
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/09/04/stop-obsessing-about-kamala-harris-polling-bumps/


What’s the deal with Nate Silver? He seems like he’s fully embracing this contrarian persona where everything he says has some snark (usually against Democrats). He had a recent AMA on Reddit which was quite embarrassing, with some COVID and lockdown comments that were just bullshit.

I’ve been following his “election forecast” for a few days and his commentary is always along these lines:

Harris polls above Trump: “Harris has a feeble lead and might not hold for much longer – it definitely doesn’t look too good for the future”

Trump polls above Harris: “Trump is holding strong and it’s unlikely Harris can retake the lead unless something crazy happens”

1) He’s selling a book.
2) The book reveals something that looks suspiciously like a gambling problem.
3) After he lost his last job in a period when he was gambling $ thousands/mo, he was hired by a Peter Thiel venture to a role that has the ability to impact gambling outcomes.

Oh shit. If he’s been gambling on election outcomes — and helping others who may also do the same — everything he’s written about elections could be skewed by that lens.

As an example, Brexit may have been set up for short sales of the pound sterling. Nigel Farage certainly looked happy about the pound’s crash.

What are the chances Bannon encouraged Thiel to hire Silver? They could be attempting to set up short sales but using our lives.


Here’s a piece from Slate on Polymarkets activities

https://slate.com/technology/2024/08/polymarket-nate-silver-prediction-markets-gambling.html

I don’t think it should do anything to allay your general concerns as to the corrupting effect of gambling on politics and elections, but it does seem to be a different sort of operation to the Farage Brexit night manipulation of the value of the £ on financial markets which I know you are very familiar with having discussed it at some depth on a previous thread.


Polymarket is the obvious application but did Silver get hired in the first place because 1) he had a track record, and/or 2) Bannon, a former fund manager with ties to Farage, either knew about the connection or saw the opportunity Silver offered and promoted him to Thiel-Polymarket?

If it’s successful once they do it again. Brexit was successful and made somebody some bank. Why wouldn’t they do it again.

And now we should be asking ourselves if this has also shaped news media — are outlets not only influenced by oddsmakers in their coverage by quoting them without caveats or research, but are the managers or the news business invested in betting because their old business model is unsuccessful? This is what “Neutron Jack” Welch did at GE in buying NBC; Karl Rove encouraged him to buy NBC through GE to shape tax policy affecting GE. Are news media invested in any businesses which are based on predictive markets?




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Can't help but wonder if silver is cashing checks labeled in rubles JT45242 Sep 2024 #1
TSF has already been caught paying for a favorable poll gab13by13 Sep 2024 #5
Is he paying, or his rich Russian benefactor paying? 4lbs Sep 2024 #12
It is simpler than that Trenzalore Sep 2024 #6
This! liberalla Sep 2024 #37
Thanks did not know that connection and ... JT45242 Sep 2024 #39
He is literally Peter Thiel's guy obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #24
Oh, that explains all zorbasd Sep 2024 #33
Probably laundered by Peter Thiel. ananda Sep 2024 #27
Follow the money... Docreed2003 Sep 2024 #2
I somehow missed his Peter Thiel connection. marble falls Sep 2024 #9
Silver works for Thiel's startup Docreed2003 Sep 2024 #10
Conflict! We doan see no stinkin conflict of interests! marble falls Sep 2024 #11
Seems like he's pissing off his fellow pollsters... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #3
Silver may be snorting his own stash PJMcK Sep 2024 #4
But .. but .. but .. Nate Silver walks on water! I don't trust polls til after the Conventions and then with some salt. marble falls Sep 2024 #7
Not enough Sodium Chloride on the planet to make me trust polls like I did back in the 90s ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 2024 #49
Your instincts are still correct today. The attention so many pay to them is shocking. marble falls Sep 2024 #54
OP link is wrong thesquanderer Sep 2024 #8
Thanks BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #23
He and Mark Halperin are doing the same thing kansasobama Sep 2024 #13
Mark Halperin, a long time ago, used to be someone I'd listen to. erronis Sep 2024 #15
I know PA is close kansasobama Sep 2024 #14
who is the guy who does all the election night results on msnbc orleans Sep 2024 #16
Steve Kornacki House of Roberts Sep 2024 #19
oh thanks -- i like him. and his name rings a bell. i admire his energy! lol. nt orleans Sep 2024 #20
I like his energy and enthusiasm, too. ShazzieB Sep 2024 #42
The guy with the khakis? Alliepoo Sep 2024 #21
A fair amount of chatter about how Nate Silver has his own real gambling problem. erronis Sep 2024 #17
Interesting. Thanks. yardwork Sep 2024 #31
Just to highlight this Salviati Sep 2024 #35
Looks like Nate learned the art of projection from Trump Mr.WeRP Sep 2024 #18
Around 2020, Nate Silver started turning into a bit of a contrarian troll. TRHST82 Sep 2024 #22
Thiel pays his paycheck obamanut2012 Sep 2024 #25
Nate Silver gets his paychecks from Peter Thiel. dalton99a Sep 2024 #26
He pro-Biden'd skewed after the GOP convention too ColinC Sep 2024 #28
After this, he has proven himself to be nothing but a shill for Trump and the right wing. Wiz Imp Sep 2024 #29
Silver is just ONE example of a crystal ball gazer bought and paid for by the gqp and their supporters. PortTack Sep 2024 #30
We pay way too much attention to these celebrities. yardwork Sep 2024 #32
Also, the article doesn't mention this, but Silver has been making an "adjustment" pnwmom Sep 2024 #34
The Daily Kos had a Nate Silver 538 interactive banner at the top of their front page for at least a decade ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 2024 #36
thanks for posting - this calms me down a lot lanlady Sep 2024 #38
He was shown the door from 538 after his 2022 polling fiasco BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #41
Thanks for repeating that information. Things get lost in the firehoses! erronis Sep 2024 #43
i never did like statistics . a friend of mine called them sadistic. AllaN01Bear Sep 2024 #40
They're pretty good for helping tell lies, tho. erronis Sep 2024 #44
they sure are . AllaN01Bear Sep 2024 #46
What's the old adage? BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #47
That was the first thing my psych statistics instructor at ATU said on the first day ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 2024 #50
I was one course short of having a Math minor BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #52
So I guess we could say,... Woodycall Sep 2024 #45
When TSF loses in November he will point to these polls kellytore Sep 2024 #48
Wouldn't most pollsters have to... Mike Nelson Sep 2024 #51
The gerrymandering wouldn't impact a state-wide (including an Electoral College-deciding) vote BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #53
Nate Silver had a sudden change in behavior... Mr. Mustard 2023 Sep 2024 #55
Just saw a popup from News-weak on my MSN widget how Trump is now leading geardaddy Sep 2024 #56
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