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In reply to the discussion: Nate Silver faces backlash for pro-Trump model skewing [View all]erronis
(17,485 posts)17. A fair amount of chatter about how Nate Silver has his own real gambling problem.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/09/04/stop-obsessing-about-kamala-harris-polling-bumps/
Whats the deal with Nate Silver? He seems like hes fully embracing this contrarian persona where everything he says has some snark (usually against Democrats). He had a recent AMA on Reddit which was quite embarrassing, with some COVID and lockdown comments that were just bullshit.
Ive been following his election forecast for a few days and his commentary is always along these lines:
Harris polls above Trump: Harris has a feeble lead and might not hold for much longer it definitely doesnt look too good for the future
Trump polls above Harris: Trump is holding strong and its unlikely Harris can retake the lead unless something crazy happens
Whats the deal with Nate Silver? He seems like hes fully embracing this contrarian persona where everything he says has some snark (usually against Democrats). He had a recent AMA on Reddit which was quite embarrassing, with some COVID and lockdown comments that were just bullshit.
Ive been following his election forecast for a few days and his commentary is always along these lines:
Harris polls above Trump: Harris has a feeble lead and might not hold for much longer it definitely doesnt look too good for the future
Trump polls above Harris: Trump is holding strong and its unlikely Harris can retake the lead unless something crazy happens
1) Hes selling a book.
2) The book reveals something that looks suspiciously like a gambling problem.
3) After he lost his last job in a period when he was gambling $ thousands/mo, he was hired by a Peter Thiel venture to a role that has the ability to impact gambling outcomes.
Oh shit. If hes been gambling on election outcomes and helping others who may also do the same everything hes written about elections could be skewed by that lens.
As an example, Brexit may have been set up for short sales of the pound sterling. Nigel Farage certainly looked happy about the pounds crash.
What are the chances Bannon encouraged Thiel to hire Silver? They could be attempting to set up short sales but using our lives.
Heres a piece from Slate on Polymarkets activities
https://slate.com/technology/2024/08/polymarket-nate-silver-prediction-markets-gambling.html
I dont think it should do anything to allay your general concerns as to the corrupting effect of gambling on politics and elections, but it does seem to be a different sort of operation to the Farage Brexit night manipulation of the value of the £ on financial markets which I know you are very familiar with having discussed it at some depth on a previous thread.
Polymarket is the obvious application but did Silver get hired in the first place because 1) he had a track record, and/or 2) Bannon, a former fund manager with ties to Farage, either knew about the connection or saw the opportunity Silver offered and promoted him to Thiel-Polymarket?
If its successful once they do it again. Brexit was successful and made somebody some bank. Why wouldnt they do it again.
And now we should be asking ourselves if this has also shaped news media are outlets not only influenced by oddsmakers in their coverage by quoting them without caveats or research, but are the managers or the news business invested in betting because their old business model is unsuccessful? This is what Neutron Jack Welch did at GE in buying NBC; Karl Rove encouraged him to buy NBC through GE to shape tax policy affecting GE. Are news media invested in any businesses which are based on predictive markets?
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But .. but .. but .. Nate Silver walks on water! I don't trust polls til after the Conventions and then with some salt.
marble falls
Sep 2024
#7
Not enough Sodium Chloride on the planet to make me trust polls like I did back in the 90s
ArkansasDemocrat1
Sep 2024
#49
Your instincts are still correct today. The attention so many pay to them is shocking.
marble falls
Sep 2024
#54
oh thanks -- i like him. and his name rings a bell. i admire his energy! lol. nt
orleans
Sep 2024
#20
A fair amount of chatter about how Nate Silver has his own real gambling problem.
erronis
Sep 2024
#17
After this, he has proven himself to be nothing but a shill for Trump and the right wing.
Wiz Imp
Sep 2024
#29
Silver is just ONE example of a crystal ball gazer bought and paid for by the gqp and their supporters.
PortTack
Sep 2024
#30
Also, the article doesn't mention this, but Silver has been making an "adjustment"
pnwmom
Sep 2024
#34
The Daily Kos had a Nate Silver 538 interactive banner at the top of their front page for at least a decade
ArkansasDemocrat1
Sep 2024
#36
That was the first thing my psych statistics instructor at ATU said on the first day
ArkansasDemocrat1
Sep 2024
#50
The gerrymandering wouldn't impact a state-wide (including an Electoral College-deciding) vote
BumRushDaShow
Sep 2024
#53