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94. Yes, it is a culture war

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:06 PM

Dec 2012

and that war must be won to remove the culture of killing and death.

Germany and Japan (hate to Godwin this thread) had a fairly militaristic bent for most of their histories. After WWII, both have culturally defanged themselves, with some resistance (not much, of course, given that their most militaristic people were killed in war or executed or jailed after the war). They both now have a very pacifistic culture and attitude. The same can happen here in the US, but for some reason, there's a group of people who think "shoot first and ask questions later" is the right mindset.

Well, there's no such thing as a "right mindset". It all depends on the context and situation. But given that the situation we have here is generally peaceful, getting people to be more peaceful as their new cultural identity would be a nice thing to have.

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Feinstein will introduce assault weapons ban in Senate [View all] jsr Dec 2012 OP

Outlaw owning the fucking things also!!! Buddaman Dec 2012 #1

People will just grind off the bayonet lug krispos42 Dec 2012 #6

Then ban those as well! Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #27

Like I've been saying... krispos42 Dec 2012 #30

Yes please stop with the term assault weapon exboyfil Dec 2012 #55

Doesn't matter if you see it or not. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #77

I guess you missed the sarcasm exboyfil Dec 2012 #106

Well, prairie dogs and rock chucks are a valid example. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #107

yes you are missing the name. Assault Weapon. For assaulting military targets pasto76 Dec 2012 #98

You have fallen for the "assault weapon" trap. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #115

How can you call *what defines an assault weapon* a red herring? Recursion Dec 2012 #153

Well, people are also pretty fast with a lever-action krispos42 Dec 2012 #123

See #110. PavePusher Dec 2012 #124

Looks like you're missing pig hunting ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #178

you don't know anything about this topic as evidenced by your stupid statement about Feinstein CreekDog Dec 2012 #67

Fail. Your factually deficient insult doesn't seem to be working. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #82

He actually knows quite a bit about it ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #100

If he knew then he lied when saying her position was insincere CreekDog Dec 2012 #125

She has feet of clay on this issue ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #130

you're moving the goalposts, the poster said she was insincere in her position CreekDog Dec 2012 #134

No I am not, I am taking the position that there are better standard bearers on this issue ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #135

I believe there was an assault weapons ban on the books when Clinton left office. Left Coast2020 Dec 2012 #138

The Federal AWB had a sunset clause and was not renewed ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #141

Bingo. it's not the scary-looking "special features" that make the weapon dangerous Scootaloo Dec 2012 #103

What about AR-15 pistols that fire the same 5.56 NATO round? n/t ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #177

That's a pistol. krispos42 Dec 2012 #179

Exactly my point ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #180

A law impossible to enforce. Nazis coming into your house to search for assault weapons? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #128

She's pandering to pro-control voters.... krispos42 Dec 2012 #2

I don't know much about guns but I think anything that shoots more than one bullet put pull Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #13

They are tightly restricted krispos42 Dec 2012 #16

Then those semi-automatics don't need to be around either. Why does anyone need one of those? Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #91

Exactly, thats why police carry them, to go on killing sprees. beevul Dec 2012 #137

Then, with all due respect.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #39

I didn't know that and I posted below that I didn't realize how easy it is to fire so rapidly with Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #90

You are right, they should be outlawed. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #75

Why? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #78

OK I did not realize how easy it was to fire these semi automatic guns. I thought this kid Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #88

Actually, they've (semi-auto rifles) been used in hunting for over 100 years. PavePusher Dec 2012 #110

Learn something new every day.... ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #118

Remington is on of the best guns made, oldbanjo Dec 2012 #174

My grandparents and uncles were all hunters and they used shotguns. Why aren't they good Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #144

Depends what your grandparents hunted NickB79 Dec 2012 #146

First off what the hell are you hunting bears for? You don't need bear meat. And if Native Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #176

Bear meat makes good sausage NickB79 Dec 2012 #190

I hunt Ducks and Deer, when their 40- 50 yards or so with oldbanjo Dec 2012 #175

I've hunted with an Browning auto rifle and shotgun sense 1969, oldbanjo Dec 2012 #173

Why does she need to pander to anyone? adieu Dec 2012 #28

Because like most media personalities, she's emotionally invested in her relevance. krispos42 Dec 2012 #32

^^^ exactly correct ^^^ Flatulo Dec 2012 #57

you don't know what you're talking about as you illustrated upthread CreekDog Dec 2012 #69

Fail. Your factually deficient insult doesn't seem to be working. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #83

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #81

she's not pandering on this, she became mayor via assassination CreekDog Dec 2012 #68

Fail. Your factually deficient insult doesn't seem to be working. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #85

Another fail on your part ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #101

Let Her Pander If It Moves Us To A World Without These Weapons Of Mass Destruction cantbeserious Dec 2012 #49

Feinstein has been pro-gun control since colleagues Mayor Moscone and Sup. Milk were assassinated CreekDog Dec 2012 #65

Fail. Your factually deficient insult doesn't seem to be working. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #86

I know about that krispos42 Dec 2012 #87

We don't even know adieu Dec 2012 #93

I understand that... krispos42 Dec 2012 #112

No gun legislation will be passed until Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #121

It should have NEVER been lifted to begin with... Earth_First Dec 2012 #3

The federally licensed dealers are pretty much the entire gun show. krispos42 Dec 2012 #7

It still contributes to the 'gun culture' stigma Earth_First Dec 2012 #8

So you want to wage a culture war, then? krispos42 Dec 2012 #12

you started off posting in this thread with a big blast of ignorance, why take you seriously now? CreekDog Dec 2012 #72

Fail. Your factually deficient insult doesn't seem to be working. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #84

Like I said... krispos42 Dec 2012 #116

Yes, it is a culture war adieu Dec 2012 #94

Well, violent-crime rates are down pretty good krispos42 Dec 2012 #126

It's no more "entertainment" than a farmers market (to extend your obvious analogy and bias). n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #41

So No Loop Hole? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #136

That's been my argument. krispos42 Dec 2012 #142

OK fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #160

Private transactions should still go through a background check krispos42 Dec 2012 #167

Interesting fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #168

It uses the existing infrastructure krispos42 Dec 2012 #170

hhmmmm fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #171

It wasn't lifted Ter Dec 2012 #111

As she has done every year since 2004 slackmaster Dec 2012 #4

Don't know why the assault ban was allowed to expire in the first place n/t OhioChick Dec 2012 #5

That was W. that let it expire.......... Buddaman Dec 2012 #9

Actually, W said he'd sign it if Congress put the bill on his desk slackmaster Dec 2012 #14

Bush didn't let it expire, axetogrind Dec 2012 #24

Belive it or not, it wasn't his fault. PavePusher Dec 2012 #43

He knew it wasn't going to hit his desk adieu Dec 2012 #95

Blame the authors of the 1994 ban Ter Dec 2012 #113

W said he would sign an extension. Congress didn't pass one, probably because it's a dumb law Recursion Dec 2012 #155

Because it was a dumb idea. krispos42 Dec 2012 #10

I remember the debates in Congress well. The 10-year sunset clause was one of the last compromises. slackmaster Dec 2012 #11

Because both parties, R & D, refused to do it. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #20

You could have purchased a virtually identical weapon while the AWB was in effect. dairydog91 Dec 2012 #37

Beacause it was useless law that had no measurable effect on crime. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #42

And when some right wing moron yells "Obama is taking away my guns!!11!!" you reply Javaman Dec 2012 #15

Perfect tawadi Dec 2012 #23

That's actually pretty profoundly true. If the mother had kept those guns securely locked up Flatulo Dec 2012 #59

Meanwhile, back in reality. Callisto32 Dec 2012 #60

And like many people Javaman Dec 2012 #66

If the weapons are bannec mainstreetonce Dec 2012 #17

They're registered only in a handful of states slackmaster Dec 2012 #18

None of my weapons are registered. axetogrind Dec 2012 #25

Are you volunteering to be on the door-to-door confiscation team? PavePusher Dec 2012 #44

This does not even go far enough, not even close horsedoc Dec 2012 #19

More than one. Here is a list: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #22

3rd link apparently not working Orrex Dec 2012 #36

Thanks. I fixed it. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #64

Feinstein just give those seats away djnicadress Dec 2012 #21

Enjoy your stay. nt livetohike Dec 2012 #26

Yeah and the issue requires a little more thought Tutonic Dec 2012 #29

What arbitrary limit do you propose, and why? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #45

Why not hunt with a bow and arrow? Or a spear? LonePirate Dec 2012 #33

Some people like being a little more in touch with where their food comes from. PavePusher Dec 2012 #46

You don't know much about game management do you? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #73

Do you value human life? LonePirate Dec 2012 #89

No not really kwolf68 Dec 2012 #159

Depends upon the game. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #162

Not going to work. Don't waste your time. onehandle Dec 2012 #34

Bull sellitman Dec 2012 #53

Even if it passes, it is a crying shame (literally), that it would take the murders of so many Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #31

I think.... lancer78 Dec 2012 #117

And make it stick. Don't let it expire in 10 years question everything Dec 2012 #35

+1000! Fearless Dec 2012 #38

I doubt it will succeed. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #40

Point taken. So lobby and advocate for a a bill thucythucy Dec 2012 #48

It would probably be struck down by the SC anyway Ter Dec 2012 #114

Compare and Contrast: TinkerTot55 Dec 2012 #47

Gun ownership IS a right. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #74

I say limit the magazine to 5 rounds. If you are caught with a.... Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #50

Making it harder for the mentally unstable to obtain firearms? DFW Dec 2012 #51

Again? Clames Dec 2012 #52

What does "not retroactively but prospectively.." mean, anyway customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #54

And this bill will do absolutely nothing to prevent another massacre, except Flatulo Dec 2012 #56

True lancer78 Dec 2012 #119

Could we require a license to operate a gun like we require a license to drive a car? RickFromMN Dec 2012 #58

Adam Lanza would be in big trouble under your proposal. nt Flatulo Dec 2012 #61

You don't need a license to drive on private property, only on public roads hack89 Dec 2012 #92

I would suggest they need a license even if the gun were kept on private property. RickFromMN Dec 2012 #166

Some states require such licenses - it is a state matter. hack89 Dec 2012 #169

I honestly don't know what kind of examinations should be done. RickFromMN Dec 2012 #188

You need to read Heller hack89 Dec 2012 #189

To all you idiots who says she's pandering loyalkydem Dec 2012 #62

What you are asking for is not what she is proposing. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #70

I'm not asking for an all out ban you idiot. God. loyalkydem Dec 2012 #147

I never said you were asking for an all out ban. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #163

I don't think she is pandering, but there is nothing in this bill that would have Flatulo Dec 2012 #71

This will give a big boost to Scott Brown's campaign JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #63

Let me remind you wus Brown lost by 8 points. loyalkydem Dec 2012 #76

The federal assault weapon ban in its traditional form was worthless madville Dec 2012 #79

Banning these guns will not past the "dudes" in Congress Missouri Lad Dec 2012 #96

With such legislation, at least we won't have to worry about another job-transferring "free-trade" AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #80

It seems what we need is a constitutional amendment high density Dec 2012 #97

If it's the old 1994 AWB, it will be useless NickB79 Dec 2012 #99

then help write a better law CreekDog Dec 2012 #149

I'd love to, but I can't find any good ideas NickB79 Dec 2012 #150

right, so you just encourage us to give up CreekDog Dec 2012 #152

No, I'm asking for suggestions NickB79 Dec 2012 #157

The MSNBC Shows mimi85 Dec 2012 #102

I seriously hope it includes an enforcement provision that allows for kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #104

Are you calling for warrantless searches and seizures? NickB79 Dec 2012 #129

Feinstein's bill doesn't go nearly far enough. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #132

So, police state it is then? NickB79 Dec 2012 #133

The Supreme Court used to say slavery was ok and now it doesn't. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #182

need to round up all the "odd" people and put them in a hole also just to be safe I assume? Mr Peabody Dec 2012 #181

More like advocating violence against citizens. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #145

The Republicans want to revert back to the old west Joe the Progressive Dec 2012 #105

Welcome to DU, Joe. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #120

Guns: boy-toys for boys that never grew up. Maineman Dec 2012 #185

Closing the barn door after the horses have wandered off sounds like a bad idea nolabels Dec 2012 #108

Call it defacto7 Dec 2012 #109

Question is will it withstand a SCOTUS challenge? 20 years ago I would have said it had a 50/50 cstanleytech Dec 2012 #122

Feinstein has had a safe seat for a twenty years The Second Stone Dec 2012 #127

Ban magazines of more than 5 bullets while you're at it. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #131

Carpe diem, Senator! Make us proud of you! Hekate Dec 2012 #139

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #140

This will cause a rush on the stores! Blandocyte Dec 2012 #143

who the hell cares? CreekDog Dec 2012 #148

An assault weapons ban like Connecticut has? Recursion Dec 2012 #151

See...this is the real problem: jonesgirl Dec 2012 #154

Banning assault weapons makes sense. Who's watch did this happen under, I wonder. mother earth Dec 2012 #156

Except they weren't banned in 1994 NickB79 Dec 2012 #158

Then that should be taken into consideration. If someone is hell bent on death and destruction, mother earth Dec 2012 #161

Exactly. "Assault weapons" are still banned in California. And yet you can find them in any gunshop. Xithras Dec 2012 #172

The Time To Act is Now triplepoint Dec 2012 #164

The Democrats need to grow a pair and support DiFi! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #165

Regardless of how well it does in the Senate... Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #183

Not Retroactive? Then it is mostly grandstanding. Get serious. Maineman Dec 2012 #184

One simple question for our politicians: Maineman Dec 2012 #186

good news and any future elections of any type, those who vote against this are doomed! Sunlei Dec 2012 #187