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Miguelito Loveless

(5,828 posts)
22. I read these canards all the time from the fossil fuel industry
Fri Nov 7, 2025, 11:51 AM
Nov 2025

Disappointed to see them here.

The EV industry is moving away from cobalt/nickel and other expensive metals in batteries toward iron and sodium. And while they are moving away from cobalt, the oil industry will continue to use cobalt (once, no recycling) in the refining process. Also, they are now looking at extracting lithium free sea water, so even the future of current extraction methods will change. For every EV bought, 500-800 gallons of gasoline/diesel is unburnt. EVs last longer, are cheaper to run and maintain.

The recycling process for batteries now averages 95%, and that is after they have spent 10-15 years in a car, then had a second life of 10 years as utility storage. I have been driving EVs since 2014, and they simply work. And before you bring up the lack of charging infrastructure, it is no longer 2015, or 2020, or even 2023. Charging infrastructure is becoming ubiquitous. And since 85% of US drivers drive less than 35 miles per day, the vast majority of drivers only need a standard electrical socket to recharge for that amount of use.

The carbon footprint of an EV is recouped in less than 1-2 years of driving (11K-15K miles). The carbon footprint of ICE cars is NEVER ongoing and never paid off.

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The response should be to implement bans of utility vehicles and trucks on highways and interstates. Moostache Nov 2025 #1
Seems like political suicide MichMan Nov 2025 #8
Battery technology needs to get better. mn9driver Nov 2025 #2
Yeah, me too. TomSlick Nov 2025 #11
my uneducated opinion: ret5hd Nov 2025 #3
I had a series of F150s. TomSlick Nov 2025 #12
i've got a ranger also... ret5hd Nov 2025 #13
Mine's not that old. It's just a smaller version of the F150. TomSlick Nov 2025 #14
mine was "hairin' up" and wanting to fight... ret5hd Nov 2025 #15
They want their Cummins diesel or DURAMAX 454 Submariner Nov 2025 #4
$13 billion in losses translates to fewer jobs making Ford trucks. Kid Berwyn Nov 2025 #5
There will be even less jobs Miguelito Loveless Nov 2025 #7
EVs create their own environmental problems RazorbackExpat Nov 2025 #21
I read these canards all the time from the fossil fuel industry Miguelito Loveless Nov 2025 #22
I subscribe to several mining magazines RazorbackExpat Nov 2025 #23
Again, yes Miguelito Loveless Nov 2025 #26
Which pales in comparison to the damage climate change is currently doing NickB79 Nov 2025 #35
So much for Jim Farley's promise to take Ford electric. Miguelito Loveless Nov 2025 #6
Consumers don't want them MichMan Nov 2025 #9
NO!!! Obviously he's saying... ret5hd Nov 2025 #10
I want them to be given a chance Miguelito Loveless Nov 2025 #20
You did read, the demand just isn't there right? fujiyamasan Nov 2025 #17
Top selling electric pickup in the US Miguelito Loveless Nov 2025 #19
October sales were 1500 Lightnings compared to 66,000 ICE F150 MichMan Nov 2025 #24
I did say best selling electric Miguelito Loveless Nov 2025 #25
Fix or Recharge Daily pstokely Nov 2025 #16
It's a cool vehicle but it's looking like fujiyamasan Nov 2025 #18
EVs are not selling because the promissed doc03 Nov 2025 #27
Got tied up in red tape and bureaucracy DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2025 #33
$50k Base Price OC375 Nov 2025 #28
Same cost as an average gas powered F150 MichMan Nov 2025 #29
$40k Base OC375 Nov 2025 #30
Average F150 transaction price is $54,082 MichMan Nov 2025 #31
Cost May Well Not Be An Issue For Most Potential EV Buyers OC375 Nov 2025 #34
50K is pretty cheap. maxsolomon Nov 2025 #32
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