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104. Yeah, if she can't get this appealed she may need a new legal team

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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:21 AM

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Judge Orders Arizona Candidate Struck From Ballot (for lacking English proficiency) [View all] alp227 Jan 2012 OP

And the hits just keep on comin' thelordofhell Jan 2012 #1

if thats the case.... flobee1 Jan 2012 #2

Amen.. It insidious. They are trying to take away the rights of Latinos in Ecumenist Jan 2012 #31

Fuck Arizona OneAngryDemocrat Jan 2012 #65

I Fcuking HATE Arizona!! I have nebver seen a state so screwed up IN.MY.LIFE!! I have to go Ecumenist Jan 2012 #69

If the law required people to be informed and to pass a competence test in order to vote. Larry Ogg Jan 2012 #108

+1 freshwest Jan 2012 #83

Now thats not fair quakerboy Jan 2012 #118

Walk me back to 1965. Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #3

Plus, our Supreme Embarrassments are ignoring the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo EFerrari Jan 2012 #12

good work, i looked this up and you are right. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #52

I was taught that in public school in Tejas in the Sixties. GOPhers slept through class. freshwest Jan 2012 #84

It's now down the Memory Hole. EFerrari Jan 2012 #85

I think this is a very different situation. pennylane100 Jan 2012 #17

Not in San Luis, AZ: EFerrari Jan 2012 #19

most "matters being discussed" in that corner of the usa are in spanish. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #53

While I'm not for this ruling, how is an English test not already a requirement for office? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #4

i'm pretty sure spanish would be just fine in san louis arizona. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #5

Yes, but I imagine the documents and all the legalese will all be in English. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #7

one good bilingual staffer - problem solved nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #11

What about the forklift driver? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #14

what forklift driver? the story is about a city council candidate. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #15

I'm just trying to figure out if this applies to all jobs. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #20

my comments are limited to the city coucil race in san louis az - the subject of the op. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #22

So that should be a special case? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #25

special case for what? your imaginary forkilift driver legal standard? arely staircase Jan 2012 #35

Exactly and if a forklift driver applied who could not speak Spanish you'd.....nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #40

probably wouldn't hire her. not in a boarder town where everyone else speaks spanish. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #44

Exactly. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #46

we are arguing in two subthreads so lets pick one arely staircase Jan 2012 #49

just pointing out that quite a few jobs require English Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #59

so in (and i am making this up like you did the forklift operator) a town arely staircase Jan 2012 #61

I imagine it wouldn't be based on majority Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #63

i would let the local voters decide. this activist judge disagrees. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #64

Poster has a history of these "what if" arguments Hugabear Jan 2012 #117

Are you arguing that Spanish is rare in Arizona? EFerrari Jan 2012 #16

Government documents are in English right? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #18

In my county, they are in a number of languages. EFerrari Jan 2012 #21

What language are your MCAT's printed in? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #27

All jobs do not occur in a town that is 89% Hispanic. EFerrari Jan 2012 #28

And if the forklift company required that English be spoken, the courts would hold that up. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #30

And if I were a bird, I could fly. EFerrari Jan 2012 #31

Not if you were a cassuary. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #41

in San Louis az? lo to the o to the mf'n l! you ever spent much time in the boarderlands amigo? nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #39

So if you're taking the MCAT in San Louis, AZ you can request it in Spanish? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #45

ok let's go with the job requirements standard, i'm gonna go way out on a limb and arely staircase Jan 2012 #47

Now that is for the court to decide. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #48

yes, a federal court. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #50

absolutely. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #60

It is in Arizona and in all the territories ceded under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. EFerrari Jan 2012 #51

and yet certain jobs still require English. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #58

But that isn't the issue. And, btw, it's "MCATs" not "MCAT's" which is a possesive EFerrari Jan 2012 #72

I thought when you pluralized an acronym you added an apostrophe? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #79

The problem with using the MCATs as a hook to hang the argument on EFerrari Jan 2012 #80

You could argue that the city government is the smallest sample. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #81

Do we know that it uses English? EFerrari Jan 2012 #82

If it doesn't then they have no case. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #86

I suspect it doesn't but what are the chances this candidate has the resources EFerrari Jan 2012 #87

No clue. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #88

The article quotes her attorney but if the real fight is poitical EFerrari Jan 2012 #89

I hope we hear more too. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #102

The "company" is the city, and it has the right not to hire her by not voting for her Orangepeel Jan 2012 #62

yep, many jobs have language requirements. seems that requirement can't be the legal issue Bacchus4.0 Jan 2012 #90

i know, right? especially a border town arely staircase Jan 2012 #23

Yep. And I wonder how much that judge cost. n/t EFerrari Jan 2012 #24

So when a gringo moves to Cuernavaca but speaks no Spanish, he should have the right to run Bill O-Rights Jan 2012 #74

I'm talking about US law. I have no idea what you are talking about. n/t EFerrari Jan 2012 #78

Who pays for that extra staffer? Ter Jan 2012 #95

Deaf people can't necessarily "speak" the language. noamnety Jan 2012 #33

That's a protected class though. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #34

I'm not asking about their protections under ADA. noamnety Jan 2012 #71

Once again, they are a protested class. Better question, could a mute person do it. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #77

Over half the state legislature isn't all that proficient ThoughtCriminal Jan 2012 #6

I'm probably non grata for agreeing with that judge, but I believe we have to have one Bill O-Rights Jan 2012 #8

Why deny them anything? This country has never been monolingual EFerrari Jan 2012 #13

I have been to over 60 nations and worked in about a dozen. I always acknowledged the local Bill O-Rights Jan 2012 #36

San Luis, AZ is 89% Hispanic, as I posted up thread EFerrari Jan 2012 #38

The poster you are arguing with is a troll, and has been dealt with Hugabear Jan 2012 #107

Yes, I know. The posts you are reading EFerrari Jan 2012 #110

Did they apply this to Jan "we have did" Brewer? Scuba Jan 2012 #9

Did I step into some sort of freaky Twlight Zone? Justice wanted Jan 2012 #10

If English is as critical as they say wouldn't a campaign that questions the proficiency LiberalFighter Jan 2012 #26

The argument is that in 2006, AZ passed an Engish as official language law. EFerrari Jan 2012 #29

Perhaps they don't fight it because they can't read it. Bill O-Rights Jan 2012 #37

Enjoy your stay at DU. EFerrari Jan 2012 #43

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Yo creo que usted es un hombre bastante tonto. Bill O-Rights Jan 2012 #67

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Mexican is a race now? I sure wish someone had told me about that. Bill O-Rights Jan 2012 #73

ok, intolerante arely staircase Jan 2012 #75

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as i posted there was a similar law passed back in '88 and the state sup. ct. overturned it in '98. alp227 Jan 2012 #97

yeah, how about letting the voters of san louis az decide if the need an english speaker arely staircase Jan 2012 #55

I'd like to know more about the test. savalez Jan 2012 #42

It would be interesting to figure out how this law is being used, EFerrari Jan 2012 #94

She's a fucking citizen, and yet she's denied candidacy? David__77 Jan 2012 #54

Wait a Min..... usaprogress Jan 2012 #113

More... usaprogress Jan 2012 #114

we have the answer. It is an Arizona requirement under the law Bacchus4.0 Jan 2012 #115

How is it legal for a judge to subvert democracy?? Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #56

Well said. If I want to vote for a council candidate who only speaks Portugese or Italian or pampango Jan 2012 #101

Yeah, if she can't get this appealed she may need a new legal team Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #104

A lot of republickers, like Dimson, should have been struck muntrv Jan 2012 #57

Time to file a federal civil rights action against the judge and the State of Arizona. kiranon Jan 2012 #91

...the Domestic Terrorist Party continues to make America hell. SoapBox Jan 2012 #92

So would Dubya not be allowed to hold office in Arizona? (n/t) a2liberal Jan 2012 #93

LOL - I had the same evil thought! nt BlueMTexpat Jan 2012 #100

If you look at this situation from a very serious and realistic perspective, she should be truthisfreedom Jan 2012 #96

Sounds to me that most of the people who are from her region either speak Spanish fluently... Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #98

Unless AZ requires ALL candidates for office to pass the same linguistic tests as BlueMTexpat Jan 2012 #99

not necessarily, the issue is whether its a job requirement n/t Bacchus4.0 Jan 2012 #111

Hypothetically speaking... mwooldri Jan 2012 #103

The judge needs to be disbarred for not knowing about... MarkCharles Jan 2012 #105

Who is giving the test and who is grading the test? Democat Jan 2012 #106

and just how much is "enough" english? Javaman Jan 2012 #109

I can see both points of view... Smilo Jan 2012 #112

looks like its the law, see post 114 n/t Bacchus4.0 Jan 2012 #116