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muriel_volestrangler

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Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:05 PM

Feb 2013

There was no medical need for her to have the abortion.

"Do you want a nation of rebellious kids using our courts to enable their disobedience? "

To stop an unnecessary procedure being forced on her? Yes.

"My question was about what a child wants to do against parents objections." yes but you compared forcing an abortion to forbidding a tattoo, or forbidding smoking pot. A forced abortion would be an assault - probably sexual, and would be illegal. Withholding persmission for a tattoo is not illegal. Your question was badly put.

"I wonder how many of the people here cheering the girl even have been parents."

Who cares? Are you saying parents should have the right to force abortions on their 16 year old daughter, and that somehow beign a parent would make you support this force?

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Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle [View all] davidn3600 Feb 2013 OP

(her choice) annabanana Feb 2013 #1

Yes, BUT HockeyMom Feb 2013 #2

I guess that will have to be annabanana Feb 2013 #4

agree, or to pay for the health costs Tumbulu Feb 2013 #6

Agreed. TEXASYANKEE Feb 2013 #10

At 18 she's legally an adult HockeyMom Feb 2013 #11

Oh right, like parents are not going to feel that they have to step in and help? Tumbulu Feb 2013 #14

Then call me guilty HockeyMom Feb 2013 #27

I complete agree Drale Feb 2013 #61

That's just punishing the grandchild demwing Feb 2013 #81

Adoption HockeyMom Feb 2013 #85

You didn't tell us you know the people involved. Since you know "THAT is the best choice", I must uppityperson Feb 2013 #90

You don't understand why a grandparent would want to have their grandchildren around? Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #145

Hands down best choice Tumbulu Feb 2013 #161

"You people?" Ouch!!!!!!!! nt MADem Feb 2013 #204

That's just punishing the grandchild AlbertCat Feb 2013 #96

Yes, correct demwing Feb 2013 #156

but that's not what the OP was referring to. AlbertCat Feb 2013 #207

My quote was in response to her quote demwing Feb 2013 #217

Exactly nt Tumbulu Feb 2013 #136

Well goody goody for you Tumbulu Feb 2013 #137

if we're celebrating choice then no one should call you anything leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #151

Her parents are legally responsible for her (and her troubles) til she's 18 yrs old riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #53

The parents were not wrong to make the girl avebury Feb 2013 #82

They have to pay her medical bills, house her, clothe her and feed her riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #87

I would like to know why the parents of the boy are not legally avebury Feb 2013 #94

why the parents of the boy are not legally liable for some of the girl's expenses AlbertCat Feb 2013 #97

I'm presuming they are responsible for the other half of medical costs riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #105

I'm going to guess that's why they were only ordered to pay half medical riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #98

You keep making such good points! Tumbulu Feb 2013 #163

very tho0ughtful response, with which I concur elehhhhna Feb 2013 #113

A teenager has no idea Tumbulu Feb 2013 #139

The girl does not need a cell phone avebury Feb 2013 #148

Oh, I was thinking you were saying no phone.. Tumbulu Feb 2013 #154

The parents might be able to get her a cheap cell phone and provide avebury Feb 2013 #171

I see the young people of today as so much more irresponsible Tumbulu Feb 2013 #172

Why rent an apartment? Why not just keep her at home? MADem Feb 2013 #206

This message was self-deleted by its author Horse with no Name Feb 2013 #106

That's not true from what I've read. Do you have a link? riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Horse with no Name Feb 2013 #117

Not sure any law requires them to pay for her phone or car. Just her food and lodging and health. McCamy Taylor Feb 2013 #122

Oh agreed. They also have to give her clothing. The car thing is weird. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #123

Exactly -- Unless she becomes emancipated obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #127

And why I think parents should make the abortion decision Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #129

Or you can be 100% trying to help and teach your kids, and they just don't give a damn. loudsue Feb 2013 #70

+1. nt riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #78

This child is but sixteen. MADem Feb 2013 #203

Yes, it boggles my mind Tumbulu Feb 2013 #16

I am sick of the glorification of birth married to a complete absence of responsibility. Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #35

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #141

agree 100% Tumbulu Feb 2013 #158

Thanks nt Tumbulu Feb 2013 #157

+1. freshwest Feb 2013 #168

Fifth pregnancy? By the time she's 16? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #185

No, I only do sarcasm for Republicans, not real people or DUers. freshwest Feb 2013 #196

I think that's the girl's mother who'd had 4 abortions muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #201

I agree--that would be way past grounds for a visit from Child Protective Services or a MADem Feb 2013 #208

Thanks, I'll edit. I was going by a post, not the original article. I defer to the court documents. freshwest Feb 2013 #210

Absolutely. wisteria Feb 2013 #39

And WHY do her parents have to pay HALF Tumbulu Feb 2013 #12

She's under 18 leftynyc Feb 2013 #17

So this group should pay for the whole thing Tumbulu Feb 2013 #23

Fathers dont get a say either...yet are on the hook financially davidn3600 Feb 2013 #28

True to a point, but the father had more to do with creating the pregnancy wisteria Feb 2013 #43

Well they at least had something to do with it Tumbulu Feb 2013 #135

So true! n/t wisteria Feb 2013 #41

Her parents are legally responsible for her (and her troubles) til she's 18 yrs old riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #51

She doesn't live with them anyway Marrah_G Feb 2013 #74

Yes, because they, themselves, should hot have had to commit to any parental ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #225

I agree but why didn't they get her some birth control The Flaming Red Head Feb 2013 #243

Yes, but the parents shouldn't be liable for hospital bills, her transportation etc. wisteria Feb 2013 #31

Oh yes her parents are legally responsible for her. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #55

Excellent points nt Tumbulu Feb 2013 #142

She is 16 TexasBushwhacker Feb 2013 #238

Do children really have "my body my choice"? alp227 Feb 2013 #80

tough question. what if the plaintiff was 12? would DU still be whooping elehhhhna Feb 2013 #118

Well, at that point the issue is rape, without the cover of "Romeo and Juliet" laws, MADem Feb 2013 #211

We'd defend a 16 year old boy whose parents tried to force him to get a tattoo muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #186

And who is the judge of when a medical procedure is necessary? alp227 Feb 2013 #197

A doctor is muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #199

Looks like no decision is right at all. alp227 Feb 2013 #202

No, her parents should not get the ultimate decision over her body muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #205

So if parents can't have the ultimate decision, what's the point of parenthood then? alp227 Feb 2013 #209

Parenthood doesn't mean complete control of a child muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #212

Parents force cosmetic procedures on their children all the time without their consent. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #219

And I oppose them all muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #221

In the US, Hispanic baby girls very commonly sport pierced ears. Baby Hindu girls with bindis riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #222

Well, pregnancy isn't illegal. MADem Feb 2013 #213

thats the truth. The Flaming Red Head Feb 2013 #241

and anti abortion people will trumpet this as a win for their side booley Feb 2013 #3

Ironic, isn't it, that when.... Jerry442 Feb 2013 #45

They are ProBIRTH HockeyMom Feb 2013 #57

I am pleased that she will get to exercise her CHOICE. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2013 #5

based on what? Some pseudo science spewed by pro-life groups? wordpix Feb 2013 #101

Agree - really I hope the Tumbulu Feb 2013 #143

Would you make your 16 year old have an abortion if she didn't want to? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #153

yes i would - at 16, she had no idea how to take care of herself, much less a baby wordpix Feb 2013 #183

Forcing people to have abortions because of your opinion of their abilities muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #187

OK, YOU take care of the baby and 16 y.o., then. I don't want to wordpix Feb 2013 #228

No forcing anyone to do something like that The Flaming Red Head Feb 2013 #242

i dont understand the 'consequences be damned all that matters is she got her choice' leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #159

Me too, and I hope she has some real plan for her future bhikkhu Feb 2013 #160

Very happy that her right to choose was protected rox63 Feb 2013 #7

I agree.... kurtzapril4 Feb 2013 #46

Unfortunately when the girl is a minor, the parents are on the hook riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #56

Which is still ironic. Igel Feb 2013 #116

Agreed. Its odd that neither the parents nor child pursued emancipation riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #121

Many young people are rabidly anti-choice. Something is not right in the education system. n/t SylviaD Feb 2013 #8

I think polls of shown that most young Americans are socially liberal. iandhr Feb 2013 #20

This girl is from Texas, so she may be more conservative then most others her age. alp227 Feb 2013 #84

True iandhr Feb 2013 #131

Sounds like she chose just fine. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #58

a few things do not add up here - from the original DU post about this case azurnoir Feb 2013 #9

Looks like the parents were trying to show her some adult responsibility. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2013 #25

Thank you HockeyMom Feb 2013 #30

well that is possible but myself I think the whole thing is a steaming pile azurnoir Feb 2013 #34

They were paying the phone bill, owned the car and, as her parents, could Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #40

they could not withdraw her from school against her will NCLB azurnoir Feb 2013 #44

Perhaps the grandparents don't live in the same school district? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #52

that's possible but IMO the antichoicers capitalized on bad blood azurnoir Feb 2013 #59

Perhaps.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #65

thatcould well be azurnoir Feb 2013 #71

Yep. Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #72

Perhaps she is an KatyMan Feb 2013 #92

She clearly is not--otherwise, her parents wouldn't be required to pay for her care and car. nt MADem Feb 2013 #214

Don't know the background, but what you said is completely possible. Igel Feb 2013 #120

WOOOT! A win for us! Pro-Choice wins! This will make a great precendent! Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #13

Her body, her choice. The parents couldn't have done that better SaveAmerica Feb 2013 #15

Odd though she did not live with her parents azurnoir Feb 2013 #22

According to CNN, the girl lives with her mother muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #188

thanks because we all know CNN is always accurate azurnoir Feb 2013 #195

It is her choice. And the grandparents and she should JDPriestly Feb 2013 #18

If the father is still in HS HockeyMom Feb 2013 #32

The grandparents appear to be supporting this young JDPriestly Feb 2013 #177

LOL, and her boyfriends fathers mechanic friend.. snooper2 Feb 2013 #48

If the 16 year old left her parents home, they owe her NO SUPPORT happyslug Feb 2013 #162

This seems so topsy turvy.. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #178

I use to deal with Children and Youth and Child placement. happyslug Feb 2013 #223

Per the article, the girl is living with her mom. And the parents have been ordered to $upport her riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #224

A parent's legal liability for the acts of their children is limited happyslug Feb 2013 #231

Ok but that's PA, not TX which does require a judge for emancipation riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #232

Illinois your limit is $20,000 plus attorney's fees happyslug Feb 2013 #233

As to emancipation, the Illinois Emancipation of Minors Act has the following sentence: happyslug Feb 2013 #234

A child cannot simply declare themselves emancipated and voila! Its done riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #236

Look at Section 2, the last sentence of the second paragraph, it reads as follows: happyslug Feb 2013 #237

If she want to have the child its her choice. iandhr Feb 2013 #19

even for juveniles? alp227 Feb 2013 #88

All rights. Igel Feb 2013 #124

Forced abortions are what happen in dictatorships. iandhr Feb 2013 #133

But her PARENTS, not government are forcing the abortion. alp227 Feb 2013 #200

So would it also be okay for parents to force a girl Crunchy Frog Feb 2013 #175

Is it against the law for parents to make such decisions? alp227 Feb 2013 #198

I agree, but requiring the parents to give her a car? Xithras Feb 2013 #21

Quite a message to teenage girls in Texas huh? azurnoir Feb 2013 #24

Actually, I thought they agreed to that in some sort of mediation. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #134

Very good bluestateguy Feb 2013 #26

Absolutely VA_Jill Feb 2013 #38

Choice is one thing, forcing the parents to pay for the choice is another. wisteria Feb 2013 #47

It's her body, her life, and her choice rachel1 Feb 2013 #29

Then she should make the choice to not use the car, the phone or wisteria Feb 2013 #36

as I said to my daughter at this age, when you're paying for wordpix Feb 2013 #107

The parents should not be responsible for anything-it isn't there choice. wisteria Feb 2013 #33

Is she an emancipated minor? I hadn't seen that. Link? Otherwise they are responsible riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #49

I think she is independant of her parents. wisteria Feb 2013 #60

Unless she's won a legal emancipation, they are still responsible for her legally riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #63

link she was not living with her parent now or at the time she became pregnant azurnoir Feb 2013 #62

Oh I agree. This case sucks but the parents are still legally responsible riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #66

The proof is the fact that she wasn't living with her parents and I'll tell you how I know. notadmblnd Feb 2013 #91

Those cops were wrong. The law is clear, you must follow a legal riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #100

I have no opinion to express about the girl or her parents here. notadmblnd Feb 2013 #103

Sounds like kind cops who took your side and fudged things. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #114

It seems an abnormal situation Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #130

Choice VA_Jill Feb 2013 #37

Absolutley it's about choice. Jerry442 Feb 2013 #50

Maybe they know their daughter all too well. wisteria Feb 2013 #54

This sort of thing makes me glad I don't have kids. DaveJ Feb 2013 #64

Yup. I have a wild teen. Unfortunately I'm experienced nt riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #67

The thing is it's the daughter's choice, which means all the responsibilities of that choice jeff47 Feb 2013 #69

The law makes her parents live with the consequences of that choice riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #76

Which means nothing. jeff47 Feb 2013 #146

I agree its unfair regardless of the law. And you put your finger right on the heart of the matter riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #218

Is the father in the picture here? bluestateguy Feb 2013 #42

His pic is at the link, along with some zombie-like guy. DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #73

Best not to judge people by their looks muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #192

He wants to marry her muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #190

Forced Support for Grandchildren? HockeyMom Feb 2013 #68

If a woman can not support herself and her child(ren), the child(ren) should be fostered out or adop uppityperson Feb 2013 #75

My husband's father and uncle HockeyMom Feb 2013 #83

I understand this is a minor, but was expanding on what you wrote, trying to clarify. uppityperson Feb 2013 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Horse with no Name Feb 2013 #119

Good luck to that teen. I hope if she changes her mind or needs help later she can get help. Choice uppityperson Feb 2013 #77

This is the best post I've read on this thread. tammywammy Feb 2013 #229

The parents could have (should have?) petitioned to have her declared an "emancipated minor". marybourg Feb 2013 #79

The person being "emancipated" has to prove that they can support themselves. MADem Feb 2013 #215

Not in most states. happyslug Feb 2013 #235

A family I knew about had a pregnant 15 year old. They made her Ilsa Feb 2013 #86

1) "Roe" made this her choice. There can be no obligation for her to abort. OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #93

Good. krispos42 Feb 2013 #95

so the parents are forced to raise the baby they don't want to raise wordpix Feb 2013 #99

why didn't the court mandate any percentage of support from the baby's father?? Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #102

My question. Where is the dad? McCamy Taylor Feb 2013 #115

He wants to marry the young lady, per CNN. nt MADem Feb 2013 #216

I saw. UnseenUndergrad Feb 2013 #230

This message was self-deleted by its author Horse with no Name Feb 2013 #104

apparently you have not experienced dealing with teenage mothers wordpix Feb 2013 #111

So...you don't want your taxes to support a single mother and baby. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #138

actually, if I had my CHOICE, every school would begin in middle school to have a class in wordpix Feb 2013 #184

I agree with all of that. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #226

The only way this should be done is if the teen is also 'emancipated'. AzDar Feb 2013 #108

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #144

agree nt Tumbulu Feb 2013 #165

She wins? I don't see any winners here. Pool Hall Ace Feb 2013 #110

I wonder what the lawsuit was based on treestar Feb 2013 #112

Curious about how the right wing will cover this. Basically, it means that no one can "punish" their McCamy Taylor Feb 2013 #125

good points Tumbulu Feb 2013 #166

It's her life & the baby's life. See how she deals with it.Could go either way.Her body / her choice judesedit Feb 2013 #126

Hopefully you're right christx30 Feb 2013 #244

Now the kid's a saint for saving her unborn baby.. (which is, of course, her choice) mountain grammy Feb 2013 #128

Oh yes, I wonder how helpful they will be then....... Tumbulu Feb 2013 #167

Good obama2terms Feb 2013 #132

Anyone who thinks the parents should have the authority to force an abortion... NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #140

So hopefully when the court gets CC Feb 2013 #147

As I posted somewhere else... NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #150

The bus service in Houston is horrible. You have to have a car to get anyplace Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #174

What a brave young woman! Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #149

I don't see it that way Tumbulu Feb 2013 #170

But in two years, she won't be a teen. And her child will have a whole life ahead of her! Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #173

being "pro-choice" means defending THIS choice, too. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #152

Yes, I am proud to defend both sides of the coin too. Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #155

I am with you. etherealtruth Feb 2013 #180

Agreed. I guess it's true that some people are pro-abortion... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #182

agreed La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #189

There is something wrong here, this was filed February 11 and the parents had 20 days to respond happyslug Feb 2013 #164

it's an agreement between the sides muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #194

Thank you for the additional information. (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #227

I agree with those who've said information is missing from this story. Nine Feb 2013 #169

The fundies will pick up the tab, wait and see.. I can already see her in her own McMansion and with secondwind Feb 2013 #176

Norma McCorvey aka "Jane Roe" TexasBushwhacker Feb 2013 #239

My take on this Notafraidtoo Feb 2013 #179

At the end of the video report it states that her avebury Feb 2013 #181

Very tough choice but in the end it was her choice. Jennicut Feb 2013 #240

Something tells me the girl would've lost her legal battle pink-o Feb 2013 #191

Here is some more information. Nine Feb 2013 #193

The girl's parents deny all of the allegations. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #220