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Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
47. What are you?...
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:02 PM
Mar 2013

...a fitness trainer, with all the "get a grip," "go for a walk?"

First you shrug your shoulders asking where you made the claims, then you tell me that it's none of my business what people eat. I don't know now what your argument is (just a defense of obesity? Or are you someone who thinks what Bloomberg did was "nannying" New Yorkers?)

I thought (and still do based on this last response) that you're against the law. I think it's a stupid law too, but not because it takes away excessive sizes of sodas, but that it only does it in certain restaurants and not in all convenient stores, etc. I still stand behind my view and argument that we were not born with the right to gorge ourselves to death, especially when it impacts the society as a whole (if you want to move to Siberia and eat/drink yourself into diabetes/stroke/heart attack, etc., go for it). And that is what is happening. I don't have the statistics in front of me and I'm too lazy to go dig them up for you, but diabetes (especially in children) has been and still is on the rise. Unless you want to argue for that to continue, I don't know what the hell you're so worked up over (after all, if you think me worked up, you must be too as you're continuing to counter argue).

And why won't you address my point about how the right of the individual should not trump the good of all? We live in a world of rising health costs - that's a fact. Diabetes has been on the rise and that disease not only can lead to death but it causes all other kinds of health problems, many (most) of which cause a high cost impact to not only the patient but to all of us consumers. There's no way around it. As the costs increase, the insurance companies will continue to pass them along into the system where all of us pay. (To provide a personal example - my uncle lost part of his left leg due to diabetes and just continued right on drinking rum and coke to excess and smoking until he finally died. Many of his medical bills were just "written off" because he had no health insurance at all. Who do you think absorbed those costs?)

So, I have an idea (let me see if this will sit well with you) - I will mind my own business and not "worry" myself or get all "worked up" over what people eat just as long the system changes so that those who develop disorders/diseases/conditions directly related to their unhealthy habits, be it eating, drinking, smoking, inactivity, pay a higher percentage of the premiums where I work. This means, I pay less each month for my insurance fees than the coworker who has not taken care of him/herself and has a disorder/disease/condition because of it. How does that sound?

And if someone can't afford health insurance, how about we just don't treat them at all? How about that? That's fair, don't you think? That a way, the food industry can maintain their "rights" to sell as much junk in as big containers at a "valued price" as they please, and Americans can continue to exercise their rights to buy it, consume it and suffer/die from it. But those of us who don't want to exercise our right to eat/drink ourselves into a state of disease/higher healthcare costs/suffering/death, can choose not to, pay less of the burden in the overall healthcare system, and we all live happily ever after.

Something else to consider - Bloomberg isn't taking away anyone's right to drink all the soda they want. He is just trying to make it a tiny bit less convenient for the poor (who, let's face it, want and will buy in bulk to save what little money they have) and children/teens. That may beg for a whole other argument over what right do we have to tell the poor what they can buy, but in my opinion, it's not the point of this law. And, whether you like Bloomberg or not, he has gotten people to at least think about the notion that we as a nation really don't need to super size the hell out of junk food (or any food for that matter) just because someone did along the way to trick us into paying just a little bit more and now everyone expects it.

Lastly, and sorry to sound like a broken record - but when I was younger (I'm talking the 80's), there were three sizes at most (I'm pretty certain all) restaurants: Small, Medium, Large. There were some places that were "all you can drink," but the cup sizes weren't so big it took two hands to maneuver them. No one suffered. No one was denied any rights.

The silly argument here is not the one for Bloomberg's law, but for the one that champions for the gluttony some humans just can't help themselves from enjoying and for the consequences we all pay when they do.

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From WSJ: Pab Sungenis Mar 2013 #1
What a real shame ... srican69 Mar 2013 #2
Message auto-removed BAT21 Mar 2013 #3
That's why Starbucks in New York hasn't changed their menu Fat Bastard Mar 2013 #4
hahahah... raidert05 Mar 2013 #5
Big Brother gets handed a rare loss davidn3600 Mar 2013 #6
Someone finally stands up to the control freak jsr Mar 2013 #7
A-Freakin-Men 1983law Mar 2013 #19
A rare victory for sanity Throd Mar 2013 #8
Our right to Big Gulp ourselves into obesity has been preserved. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #9
It was fun while it lasted Major Nikon Mar 2013 #10
Drinks SamKnause Mar 2013 #11
K&R + FU Bloomberg. n/t alp227 Mar 2013 #12
Bloomberg won. It got the nation talking, and MacDonalds has stopped selling supersize months ago graham4anything Mar 2013 #13
But the point is that christx30 Mar 2013 #23
If it saved ONE twelve year old from a lifetime of diabetes, it already worked. graham4anything Mar 2013 #26
As a hard working, christx30 Mar 2013 #28
90% of NY doesn't smoke. It already is working graham4anything Mar 2013 #31
I'm under no illusion christx30 Mar 2013 #32
I guess Clarence should have left George Bailey alone on the bridge graham4anything Mar 2013 #33
I don't know christx30 Mar 2013 #36
thankyou Graham olddots Mar 2013 #27
They're talking about how he is trying to be the king of the nanny state. OGKush Mar 2013 #44
In the end, he wins, 100%. Many places already aren't serving super size. graham4anything Mar 2013 #45
So you think it's better to pass unconstitutional laws to control people OGKush Mar 2013 #46
haha yeah, cuz it's so damn hard to get a refill! Scout Mar 2013 #51
You miss the point entirely. Most people don't go to the effort, therefore outta sight, outta mind graham4anything Mar 2013 #52
kick OKNancy Mar 2013 #14
Stupid stupid law. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #15
Duh. (nt) harmonicon Mar 2013 #16
Ugh. Another win for Corporate America. jakefrep Mar 2013 #17
Another win for FREEDOM IN America. 1983law Mar 2013 #20
Bullcrap. jakefrep Mar 2013 #39
It was on the same day where you 1983law Mar 2013 #40
harumph Scout Mar 2013 #18
Uh... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #22
wow, so much self righteous ... well, bullshit in this post. Scout Mar 2013 #29
If I sound self righteous... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #37
"But stop demanding your right to such excess." Scout Mar 2013 #42
What are you?... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #47
"address my point about how the right of the individual should not trump the good of all" Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #48
Then, I suppose... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #53
The Constitution doesn't have all our rights - not listed reserved for the people or the states askeptic Mar 2013 #55
Now... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #58
"My taxes pay for christx30 Mar 2013 #62
Not sure what demand you mean... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #63
sorry... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #64
That just because you pay for something christx30 Mar 2013 #66
You are part of the system christx30 Mar 2013 #67
Your last paragraph is filled with so many false assumptions it invalidates your entire post. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #59
I'm unclear... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #60
According to every other issue of every popular magazine Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #61
um... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #65
"right of the individual should not trump the good of all" SpartanDem Mar 2013 #49
That's hyperbole... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #54
"I don't know now what your argument is" Scout Mar 2013 #50
Oh, dear... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #56
Have you heard about something called CANDY! They_Live Mar 2013 #35
Completely agree... Charlotte Little Mar 2013 #38
Good (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2013 #21
So now it is time christx30 Mar 2013 #24
What would make more sense, would be a tax on soda pop and candy. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2013 #25
I'm glad. Let people drink their soda. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #30
I think Justice Tingling has been studying his history. Brigid Mar 2013 #34
It's not too surprising that the court overturned it davidpdx Mar 2013 #41
Stupid law imposed by a power hungry megalomanic ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #43
good Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #57
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