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13. WTC 7 had WTC 1 fall on top of it

Reply to olddad56 (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:01 PM

Apr 2013

perhaps you remember those eyewitness accounts of a 20 story gouge in its side and multiple out of control fires?

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Only if they use "nano-thermite." Archae Apr 2013 #1

+ 1,000 Berlum Apr 2013 #226

Probably won't implode if the material fueling the fire closeupready Apr 2013 #2

Probably not zeemike Apr 2013 #3

No steel building has ever been hit by a fully loaded 767 - until 9/11 hack89 Apr 2013 #9

I don't recall WTC 7 being hit by a 767, or any aircraft for that matter. olddad56 Apr 2013 #10

WTC 7 had WTC 1 fall on top of it hack89 Apr 2013 #13

Unfought by humans with hoses OR automated sprinklers because the mains were cut. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #17

But the FDNY was in on it - don't you know? nt hack89 Apr 2013 #18

Zounds! Foiled again! AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #20

here is something else you won't believe, those Mother Goose stories, they are not true either. olddad56 Apr 2013 #26

And no jet fueled fire has ever melted steel ether. zeemike Apr 2013 #19

No has ever claimed that the steel was melted hack89 Apr 2013 #21

Basic physics?....lets get real. zeemike Apr 2013 #23

It was not the jet fuel producing that black smoke hack89 Apr 2013 #24

Yep...not the truther charge comes out. zeemike Apr 2013 #29

Why do you think we have fire codes and sprinklers for high rise buildings? hack89 Apr 2013 #31

If I provided you with lots of evidence zeemike Apr 2013 #38

I know this issue inside and out hack89 Apr 2013 #39

So do I. zeemike Apr 2013 #41

If you knew this issue inside & out.... wildbilln864 Apr 2013 #162

It was loaded with enough fuel to fly across country hack89 Apr 2013 #164

that's not fully loaded though! wildbilln864 Apr 2013 #165

200 tons of steel, 60 tons of jet fuel and an impact speed of 500 knots hack89 Apr 2013 #166

we can.... wildbilln864 Apr 2013 #241

But I corrected my post - are those new facts correct? nt hack89 Apr 2013 #242

not really... wildbilln864 Apr 2013 #243

No - they were not hack89 Apr 2013 #244

You have zero experience. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #47

I have a lot more experience than you might think. zeemike Apr 2013 #50

Enough experience you can't answer a simple question. Good day! AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #52

Right after 9/11 I attended a forum of folks wanting to find answers... KansDem Apr 2013 #112

And I am no expert ether... zeemike Apr 2013 #115

And have these NYPD firefighter comments been explained? KansDem Apr 2013 #116

They just ignore it. zeemike Apr 2013 #118

Yawn. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #120

Sorry. I'm not seeing what you described at 7'00" KansDem Apr 2013 #133

6:58 precisely. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #134

He can do a chemical analysis by looking at dust? TrogL Apr 2013 #142

The dust contained iron spheres and nanoparticles zeemike Apr 2013 #146

and there's the logical fallacy TrogL Apr 2013 #141

but no one is usng that exact simple logic to claim demolition NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #207

Here's one TrogL Apr 2013 #210

The key there is "virtually free-fall speed" NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #212

Yes, there WAS a lot of fuel in the building. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #46

And none of it that would burn hot enough to melt aluminum much less steel zeemike Apr 2013 #53

Wrong. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #56

Well I have to be wrong. zeemike Apr 2013 #57

One and two did not fall exactly, precicely straight down. Thegonagle Apr 2013 #64

Nothing that large can be done precicely strait down. zeemike Apr 2013 #66

Gravity goes down. What other direction would you like it to go? TrogL Apr 2013 #143

Take a box zeemike Apr 2013 #149

Perhaps you should actually try that experiment William Seger Apr 2013 #154

Don't need to do the experiment. zeemike Apr 2013 #160

So, steel isn't just impervious to fire, it's infinitely strong? Wow! William Seger Apr 2013 #171

It does not have to be infinitely strong to resist the force. zeemike Apr 2013 #172

If you weren't even aware of the lateral force of the rotation William Seger Apr 2013 #173

I was not aware of lateral forces?.... zeemike Apr 2013 #174

"How the fuck do you know that" ? William Seger Apr 2013 #175

You are making me dizzy with all that going round and round... zeemike Apr 2013 #176

"when I present someone equally qualified" William Seger Apr 2013 #177

The hell I haven't zeemike Apr 2013 #181

You have presented nothing of substance William Seger Apr 2013 #183

The response is always the same...You have NO evidence. zeemike Apr 2013 #184

False analogy TrogL Apr 2013 #168

It was not an analogy. zeemike Apr 2013 #169

"basics of it does not change with scale" cpwm17 Apr 2013 #178

And yet WTC7 behaved the same as the towers. zeemike Apr 2013 #179

An object's strength is approximately proportional to its cross-sectional area cpwm17 Apr 2013 #189

"WTC7 behaved very differently than the towers" zeemike Apr 2013 #191

"Except that they all fell strait down into their footprint" cpwm17 Apr 2013 #204

Apples and oranges. And the basics do change with scale TrogL Apr 2013 #185

And WTC7 was not built that way at all zeemike Apr 2013 #188

WTC7 fell asymmetrically cpwm17 Apr 2013 #190

And that is also how they demolish a building built like that. zeemike Apr 2013 #193

All the scenes show WTC7 collapsing in silence, unlike demolitions cpwm17 Apr 2013 #200

Which is precisely how you would do it in demolition. zeemike Apr 2013 #202

Multiple engineering teams, multiple universities, multiple insurance analysts. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #216

No you are going with the official story. zeemike Apr 2013 #219

None of that is true. Not a word you just said is true about me. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #220

Well want to know what I am angry about? zeemike Apr 2013 #221

I note you still have nothing technical to offer about the collapse. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #222

Seriously what good would that do? zeemike Apr 2013 #223

You keep saying I ignored this and that. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #224

Well I guarantee you that I can address anything you say zeemike Apr 2013 #225

I showed you one of multiple videos that shows it. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #227

We were done long before this. zeemike Apr 2013 #228

More evasions. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #229

I will never retreat from the truth. zeemike Apr 2013 #230

But you haven't. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #231

You made the claim that the center columns did not fall not me. zeemike Apr 2013 #232

I provided you the evidence. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #233

Just curious but. zeemike Apr 2013 #237

The inner core only holds up a certain percentage of the building's mass. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #239

Causing 2 BILLION in damage to surrounding structures is a "Big Success" AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #234

Exactly correct. Stick one end of a bent coat hanger into a camp fire sometime. Thegonagle Apr 2013 #65

WTC 3, 4, 5, 6, still standing even though Politicalboi Apr 2013 #151

The FDNY reported a 20 story gouge in the side of WTC 7 hack89 Apr 2013 #158

early on after 9/11, the standard claim was that the jet fuel melted the steel columns NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #180

There were many false claims early on - that is why we have investigations hack89 Apr 2013 #182

you wrote no one ever claimed the steel was melted, which was false NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #206

It is complicated hack89 Apr 2013 #208

I don't think it is clear that there was no demolition at all. NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #211

BAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #22

Yep...stage two...make out like it is so crazy you just have to laugh it off. zeemike Apr 2013 #25

molten metal was aluminum or copper, not steel kiri Apr 2013 #37

Have you ever seen molten aluminum or copper? zeemike Apr 2013 #40

Yes, I have seen molten aluminum. Heat it another 100 degrees. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #44

Raise that aluminium another 100 degrees, and tell me what color it is. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #73

Well that is true enough. zeemike Apr 2013 #77

Sure. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #87

Your efforts to persist with pertinent facts is admirable psychopomp Apr 2013 #131

Prove it was molten steel and not copper, aluminium or any other number of things that do melt at AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #42

Well don't wait cause I can't prove shit to you. zeemike Apr 2013 #54

So every time someone like you says 'it was molten steel' AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #55

And you can prove it was molten aluminum then? zeemike Apr 2013 #59

There had to be melted aluminum in the rubble pile hack89 Apr 2013 #68

what made it hot enough to melt it? zeemike Apr 2013 #69

Not true. Plenty of aircraft have burned in open air down to the steel members AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #71

And those aircraft melted the aluminum into a pool of red hot metal? zeemike Apr 2013 #81

I have seen pooled aluminium from such fires. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #88

All the burning consumables in the rubble pile melted the aluminum hack89 Apr 2013 #80

The core columns were 4 inches thick steel. zeemike Apr 2013 #83

The thermite would be gone in seconds hack89 Apr 2013 #84

Termite is not an explosive. zeemike Apr 2013 #86

You're describing tens of thousands of tons of thermite in special containers to direct cutting flow AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #90

Do you know how silly that sounds? zeemike Apr 2013 #94

You did. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #99

So you reject the nano-thermite argument? hack89 Apr 2013 #93

Now where did you get that idea? zeemike Apr 2013 #95

Nano-thermite is a popular truther argument hack89 Apr 2013 #97

And it is also a common item used in demolision... zeemike Apr 2013 #101

No it is not. hack89 Apr 2013 #102

With thermite? A LOT, because you'd have to do it around the entire beam. And in some cases AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #91

A good point. We would see burning thermite during the collapse AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #92

... zeemike Apr 2013 #96

And? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #100

Most of the supports for that building were in the center. zeemike Apr 2013 #104

WRONG. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #105

Holy fuck... zeemike Apr 2013 #108

It's at about 1:30 in this video. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #110

That is not the center columns you see zeemike Apr 2013 #117

Wrong tower. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #121

that doesn't even look like metal TrogL Apr 2013 #144

That is what termite looks like burning. zeemike Apr 2013 #148

Awesome! DelusionDestroyer Apr 2013 #156

My feelings exactly....n/t zeemike Apr 2013 #159

Same logic fallacy TrogL Apr 2013 #167

It is not a logical fallacy it is a piece of evidence. zeemike Apr 2013 #170

I don't need to. I'm attacking the logical flaws in your argument. TrogL Apr 2013 #186

Your evidence is that stuff falls strait down zeemike Apr 2013 #187

That's why there's so many false convictions TrogL Apr 2013 #192

Here's how to run a properly constructed conspiracy theory TrogL Apr 2013 #194

Here's a video the Truthers might like TrogL Apr 2013 #196

How often is a critical piece of evidence is what it looks like? zeemike Apr 2013 #195

The problem is, there are exceptions TrogL Apr 2013 #197

Well I will try again to make you understand me. zeemike Apr 2013 #198

Ok that's more like it TrogL Apr 2013 #201

Well the fact is... zeemike Apr 2013 #203

I've already told you I don't give a shit for the official story TrogL Apr 2013 #205

I don't need to prove it was aluminium. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #70

Well the evidence is all gone now. zeemike Apr 2013 #75

Your linked video uses the term 'molten metal' and 'molten steel' interchangeably. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #89

So? zeemike Apr 2013 #98

There are lots of ways to test it. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #103

Well I don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. zeemike Apr 2013 #106

I am a welder as well. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #107

Well it is real simple. zeemike Apr 2013 #109

Perhaps not but if you don't want your welds to fail... AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #111

Also known as oxidation... zeemike Apr 2013 #113

Oxidation generates heat. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #114

It is your world Atheist Crusader, we are all just living in it. olddad56 Apr 2013 #28

Not my fault people are so gullible. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #45

Your faith is strong... LanternWaste Apr 2013 #78

WTC 7 was not hit by a 767 zeemike Apr 2013 #124

Because WTC 1 collapsed on it. hack89 Apr 2013 #126

See how easy it is to rationalize it? zeemike Apr 2013 #127

A single support collapse - after fires burned for seven hours hack89 Apr 2013 #128

Well it all comes down to this. zeemike Apr 2013 #130

No - it was not a standard steel structure hack89 Apr 2013 #132

Because it never before in the history of steel buildings happened? zeemike Apr 2013 #135

It didn't collapse strait(sic) down hack89 Apr 2013 #136

I could say the same about you. zeemike Apr 2013 #137

When's the last time a Pro caused two BILLION dollars in damage bringing down a building. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #236

When is the last time pros demolished a tall building zeemike Apr 2013 #238

2BN is a lot of money. We're not talking cosmetic damage here. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #240

If that were the case, the final bill for this collapse came to 2bn dollars. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #235

it wasn't a fully loaded 767.... wildbilln864 Apr 2013 #161

It was loaded with sufficient fuel to fly across country hack89 Apr 2013 #163

It was unique alright whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #199

Many steel buildings have collapsed from fire alone cpwm17 Apr 2013 #123

Really?....that is news to me zeemike Apr 2013 #125

References please? cbrer Apr 2013 #147

Here are a couple of examples: cpwm17 Apr 2013 #150

I wish I could get cbrer Apr 2013 #152

Here's the collapse on YouTube cpwm17 Apr 2013 #153

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How is that possible if the building is up to standard? Renew Deal Apr 2013 #4

Only if hit by a Boeing filled with jet fuel tinrobot Apr 2013 #5

Local news is reporting the fire is on the plastic facsia of the building, not the interior structur AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #6

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I call bullshit on a conspiracy theorist. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #15

Nothing wrong with being a conspiracy theorist AAO Apr 2013 #30

That's not a facade. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #48

Ummmm chief. Boardofools Apr 2013 #63

Ummmm 'chief', I already pointed that out. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #72

If steel buildings can't collapse from fire then why is structural steel required to be ... Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2013 #33

thermate and nano-thermite. AAO Apr 2013 #34

I use nano-thermite in my yard for the fucking fire ants.. snooper2 Apr 2013 #62

I feel sorry for you people that bought the 911 commission report AAO Apr 2013 #35

'You people" Earth_First Apr 2013 #51

Why is structural steel required to be treated with fire retardant coating? Boardofools Apr 2013 #61

Interesting. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2013 #67

This is how I remember Grozny Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #7

chechen war? Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #36

The recovery is absolutely astonishing - as was its condition after the war. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #43

Only if the owner gives the order to "pull the building" Cheap_Trick Apr 2013 #8

Depends on whether the building is constructed like a house of cards TrogL Apr 2013 #11

....and the building DID NOT collapse! AAO Apr 2013 #12

Of course not. Some plastic siding caught fire. Big deal. Expensive cosmetic damage. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #16

You're denial is astoundingly horseshitty! AAO Apr 2013 #32

Because we know that all buildings should behave the same in fires cpwm17 Apr 2013 #245

Refusal to consider anything but what your master forces you to. DelusionDestroyer Apr 2013 #155

I missed the part where i said the government was blameless. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #157

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Right here. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #215

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I hope you enjoyed your stay. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #218

probably no evidence of nanothermite..nt xiamiam Apr 2013 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Earth_First Apr 2013 #49

not real bright to envelop a bldg like that in plastic trim wordpix Apr 2013 #58

My thoughts as well. kentauros Apr 2013 #79

What's it waiting for? Boardofools Apr 2013 #60

Windsor did collapse. The upper sections of the building that fell down 3 hours into the fire were AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #74

So you understand buckling right? zipplewrath Apr 2013 #82

Been thoroughly debunked by several respectable publications. Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #76

Of course it will implode on itself FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #85

I know this personally becasue I have to buy a new oven librechik Apr 2013 #138

pooling molten steel? madrchsod Apr 2013 #119

Agree. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #122

And it didn't tip over yet?... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #129

Length of time? DelusionDestroyer Apr 2013 #139

There's a lot of "loose change" on this thread Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #140

Get Ready.. the tower will free-fall in a perfect footprint.... lib2DaBone Apr 2013 #145

You might want to joint the discussion up above TrogL Apr 2013 #214

"So Saddam Hussein did this?" KurtNYC Apr 2013 #209

wow at least they got every person out! wish they had done fast evac. with the WTC area. Sunlei Apr 2013 #248