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In reply to the discussion: Luxury skyscraper hotel completely engulfed by fire in Grozny, Chechnya (VIDEO, PHOTOS) [View all]zeemike
(18,998 posts)59. And you can prove it was molten aluminum then?
Oh that's roght, the evedence is gone...shipt to Japan or China...
But then you don't need no stinking evedence cause you have the official story....and all those hundereds of witnesses are all just lying or don't know what they saw.
And you don't need to show how a fire like that could turn that aluminum you say was molten into white hot metal...you just say it is and it is.
The debris pile at Ground Zero was always tremendously hot. Thermal measurements taken by helicopter each day showed underground temperatures ranging from 400ºF to more than 2,800ºF. The surface was so hot that standing too long in one spot softened (and even melted) the soles of our safety shoes.
Professional Safety The American Society of Safety Engineers 2002-05-01 - SH&E at Ground Zero Disaster Response (link)
"As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running." -Leslie Robertson
SEAU News Structural Engineers Association of Utah 2001-10-01 - WTC A STRUCTURAL SUCCESS (link)
"I saw melting of girders in World Trade Center." -Structural Engineer Abolhassan Astaneh
PBS Newshour 2007-05-10 - Collapse of Overpass in California Becomes Lesson in Construction (link)
"I talked to many contractors and they said they actually saw molten metal trapped, beams had just totally had been melted because of the heat." -Chaplain Herb Trimpe
The Times Herald-Record 2002-09-08 - A Day In September The Chaplain's Tale (link)
"You'd get down below and you'd see molten steel -- molten steel! -- running down the channel rails. Like you're in a foundry... like lava... from a volcano." -FDNY Captain Ruvolo
Turn Century Pictures 2003-01-01 - COLLATERAL DAMAGES (link)
"descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams."
The Atlantic Monthly Group 2002-08-01 - 77 NORTH WASHINGTON STREET (link)
"In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel." -Alison Geyh, PhD.
Bloomberg School of Public Health 2001-10-01 - Mobilizing Public Health Danger in the Dust (link)
"Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helens and the thousands who fled that disaster" -Ron Burger
National Environmental Health Association 2003-09-01 - Messages in the Dust (link)
"They showed us many fascinating slides" ... "ranging from molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared and bent in the disaster." -Dr Keith Eaton
The Structural Engineer The Institution of Structural Engineers 2002-09-03 - President visits ground zero on New York visit New York visit reveals extent of WTC disaster (link)
"Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots. Massive steel girders were sandwiched in with crushed concrete. Someone told us that they weighed 1,000 pounds a foot. The collapse left them all blackened and twisted. They are among the few recognizable items in the rubble. You find scant evidence of the hundreds of offices that were once part of the twin towers. Most the furniture and equipment was pounded into dust." -Guy Lounsbury of New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing
National Guard The National Guard Association of the United States 2001-12-01 - Serving on 'sacred ground' Guardsman Sees Humanity's Best and Worst during Two Weeks at 'Ground Zero' (link)
http://911encyclopedia.com/wiki/index.php/World_Trade_Center_Hot_Spots
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Luxury skyscraper hotel completely engulfed by fire in Grozny, Chechnya (VIDEO, PHOTOS) [View all]
global1
Apr 2013
OP
Unfought by humans with hoses OR automated sprinklers because the mains were cut.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#17
here is something else you won't believe, those Mother Goose stories, they are not true either.
olddad56
Apr 2013
#26
Multiple engineering teams, multiple universities, multiple insurance analysts.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#216
The inner core only holds up a certain percentage of the building's mass.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#239
Causing 2 BILLION in damage to surrounding structures is a "Big Success"
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#234
Exactly correct. Stick one end of a bent coat hanger into a camp fire sometime.
Thegonagle
Apr 2013
#65
early on after 9/11, the standard claim was that the jet fuel melted the steel columns
NoMoreWarNow
Apr 2013
#180
Raise that aluminium another 100 degrees, and tell me what color it is.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#73
Prove it was molten steel and not copper, aluminium or any other number of things that do melt at
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#42
Not true. Plenty of aircraft have burned in open air down to the steel members
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#71
You're describing tens of thousands of tons of thermite in special containers to direct cutting flow
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#90
With thermite? A LOT, because you'd have to do it around the entire beam. And in some cases
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#91
Your linked video uses the term 'molten metal' and 'molten steel' interchangeably.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#89
When's the last time a Pro caused two BILLION dollars in damage bringing down a building.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#236
If that were the case, the final bill for this collapse came to 2bn dollars.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#235
Local news is reporting the fire is on the plastic facsia of the building, not the interior structur
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#6
If steel buildings can't collapse from fire then why is structural steel required to be ...
Hassin Bin Sober
Apr 2013
#33
Why is structural steel required to be treated with fire retardant coating?
Boardofools
Apr 2013
#61
The recovery is absolutely astonishing - as was its condition after the war. (nt)
Posteritatis
Apr 2013
#43
Of course not. Some plastic siding caught fire. Big deal. Expensive cosmetic damage.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#16
Windsor did collapse. The upper sections of the building that fell down 3 hours into the fire were
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2013
#74