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Peace Patriot

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37. "God does not choose according to human criteria." But that is exactly what...
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:24 AM
Apr 2013

...all the popes, cardinals, bishops and priests before him have done--presumed that God chooses THEM because they are men and does NOT "call" women to "holy orders" BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN.

So this is, quite remarkably, a statement that opens the way for women priests. The banning of women from the priesthood is one the most colossal sins of the Catholic hierarchy. It is nothing less than self-worship, by men, who quite hypocritically condemn the worship of false idols. This is what has led to all the abuses, to all the crimes, recent and past--male clergy enchanted by their own 'superiority" and worshipping not God, but their own image.

Popes and other prelates HAVE said, before this, that "women are important, blah, blah, blah." Of course they meant, important as baby-makers--to swell their congregations and fill Church coffers--important as servants, important IN THEIR PLACE. I found this insulting, from a very young age. I could be important as long as I was humble and subservient, and as long as I modeled myself on the 'Virgin Mary' or some other submissive female figure. It has always bothered me. I've done a lot of research on how this "original sin" of the Church first got committed and then infected the entirety of the Christian world, but most especially the male clergy of the Catholic Church, for well over a thousand years.

In any case, this Pope's statement IS different. Whether he really means it or not--whether he intends to expiate this great sin--remains to be seen. But--as with any inscrutable, secrecy-obsessed, power-hungry institution--you have to learn how to pick up the subtleties in statements like this. He CANNOT say, 'We are going to atone for this sin NOW and welcome women to the priesthood," or he would be dead tomorrow. That is how attached some men are to their notion that God prefers them. They would murder him. He has to be careful, lay ground work, send 'signals,' gain allies--a process that may have to go on well beyond his tenure before there is substantive change--and he also has to address the entrenched corruption that underpins and reinforces distorted, un-christian, and VERY long standing sins such as the Church's hatred of women (and its correlative, the Church's hatred of the Goddess). Reforming the Church--for instance, its very corrupt finances--is quite dangerous in itself. But the two things go together--vast, long-standring financial corruption and vast, long-standing spiritual corruption.

I'm willing to keep an open mind. The Church is like China, you know. Outsiders have trouble fathoming what is going on, because the decision-making processes are so completely foreign to what we know. I am utterly baffled by China, with its weird combination of "communism" and predatory capitalism. I know a lot more about the Church, and can explain some of its strangeness. For instance, it is a monarchy--and a monarchy of a unique kind; it has invented a sort of spiritual DNA ('back to St. Peter') that substitutes for a physical hereditary monarchy--ahem, which requires a woman to make a king; the Church leaves the woman out--the mother of the king--and believes in a strictly male 'line of succession' (of Popes)--and have distorted the "Holy Trinity" (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) in the same way, removing the mother entirely from the notion of God, and relegating the mother of Jesus to 'an instrument' of God--a mere human.

This is a male-worshiping and monarchical theology. That is the theoretical basis of it all--and of course this male-worshiping, monarchical institution doesn't call it "theory" but rather "dogma." You MUST believe it to belong to their Boys' Club, and even to be a servant to the Boys.

Total nonsense--that has led to many horrors and to the distortion of many, many peoples' lives, both women and men. But you need to grasp it to some extent to begin to fathom Church statements and policies, and its rather mind-boggling inertia, as to recognizing its own crimes and CHANGING--abandoning its sinful ways and becoming a truly Christian religion.

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But if he had to choose between saving your life or your fetus, ladies, he'd go with your fetus MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #1
You took the words right out of my mouth. forestpath Apr 2013 #3
+100 Canuckistanian Apr 2013 #24
Yes. Rather than applaud a small step in the right direction, you choose to make a cheap shot. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #59
Emphasis on "small." Meanwhile, women will continue to die. Nothing's much cheaper than the regard MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #61
As long as they're not equal, other stuff is OK I guess. HERVEPA Apr 2013 #2
But let's face it, God made man FIRST progressoid Apr 2013 #4
Some women in the Catholic church don't see it that way.. midnight Apr 2013 #6
"and her living teaching authority" Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #10
Many years ago while attending Mass, a male priest, declared God was both man and woman... midnight Apr 2013 #29
women plural? that would be a good one Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #31
"God is defined as being made of one man and an infinite number of women" Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #32
Sorry it must of been a Freudian slip... Meant to type woman.... midnight Apr 2013 #46
Then they should join the multitude of Christian churches... MellowDem Apr 2013 #13
I agree... midnight Apr 2013 #30
Christ chose his apostles only from circumcised Jewish males. So therefore ....... SharonAnn Apr 2013 #16
Actually, one of Christ's most important apostles was a woman, Mary TygrBright Apr 2013 #38
Stupid question... Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #5
But what about his wife, who was described as a prostitute by the fiction writers a few hundred MADem Apr 2013 #21
Tea Party conservatives are more progressive than the Pope... MellowDem Apr 2013 #7
89+ recs. onehandle Apr 2013 #11
Actually, it's great to be naysaing MellowDem Apr 2013 #15
This OP has 25 recs, not 89 and it sucks to be a mendacious promoter of homophobic sexists Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #43
"fundamental" (what a great word)--just not equal. niyad Apr 2013 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #9
Of course they are important to church leaders. pennylane100 Apr 2013 #12
Replaced? bitchkitty Apr 2013 #49
Thousands of catholics get divorced each year pennylane100 Apr 2013 #50
They might get divorced but when they do, bitchkitty Apr 2013 #55
I think 60,000 annulments a year is quite a significant number. pennylane100 Apr 2013 #56
look Francis DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #14
Back when Paul said that women should be silent...... musical_soul Apr 2013 #17
To be completely fair, there were competing religions at the time where women played the key roles. dimbear Apr 2013 #39
Did any other woman just feel MsPithy Apr 2013 #18
How about this? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #25
I was shocked at the fact that no Pope had washed a woman's feet, in Protestant Churches they sure Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #44
I hope this spirit leads to women clergy. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #19
Me too. nt onehandle Apr 2013 #28
No way!! SkyDaddy7 Apr 2013 #41
I think the seeds may be planted... AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #58
Hopefully something big happens in the news soon. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #20
So don't read. 840high Apr 2013 #23
Don't be silly. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #27
You made me smile. Hugs. 840high Apr 2013 #52
The Church moves very slowly. Beacool Apr 2013 #22
My mythology isn't really as hateful as the holy books describe it.. snooper2 Apr 2013 #26
Actually, Mary Magdalene was the first witness but the male disciples didn't believe her. intheflow Apr 2013 #33
More like they don't want to... MellowDem Apr 2013 #35
Actually in Catholic schools NastyRiffraff Apr 2013 #53
What? Really?! indivisibleman Apr 2013 #34
A "special" role... MellowDem Apr 2013 #36
"God does not choose according to human criteria." But that is exactly what... Peace Patriot Apr 2013 #37
Yes. The same thing struck me. Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #47
Compare Apollonius of Tyana, who has a comparable story arc to Jesus, but who chose as his chief dimbear Apr 2013 #40
fundamental.... madrchsod Apr 2013 #42
Anti Choice and Anti Gay this Pope is like Fred Phelps. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #45
Honestly, a pro-choice Pope would be kinda weird Ter Apr 2013 #60
You have the Gospels PATRICK Apr 2013 #48
I'm interested in seeing how conservative Catholics react--I hope he watches his back bklyncowgirl Apr 2013 #51
Cardinal parade justhanginon Apr 2013 #54
AND ......!/? burrowowl Apr 2013 #57
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