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happyslug

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22. This is a problem with Automatics, note it was a NON-Service pistol that was fired.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:32 PM
Apr 2013

Old Fashioned Revolvers were safer, require more pull on the trigger then most four year olds can do. I suspect this is an Automatic, most service automatic duplicate revolvers

Local Story about the incident:
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130408/NEWS03/304080039/Wife-deputy-shot-killed-Wilson-County-accident?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE&nclick_check=1

The Glock, an automatic pistol a lot of Police Department have adopted, have a revolver type trigger, requiring more power then in other automatics to work the trigger. Please note this accident did NOT involve a service issued weapon so I suspect it is an automatic, but not a Glock:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/at/glock-e.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock

The factory-standard two-stage trigger has a trigger travel of 12.5 mm (0.49 in) and is rated at 25 N (5.6 lbf), but by using a modified connector it can be increased to 35 N (7.9 lbf) or lowered to 20 N (4.5 lbf). In response to a request made by American law enforcement agencies for a two-stage trigger with increased trigger pull, Glock introduced the NY1 (New York) trigger module, which features a flat spring in a plastic housing that replaces the trigger bar's standard coil spring. This trigger modification is available in two versions: NY1 and NY2 that are rated at 25 N (5.6 lbf) to 40 N (9.0 lbf) and 32 N (7.2 lbf) to 50 N (11.2 lbf) respectively, which require approximately 20 N (4.5 lbf) to 30 N (6.7 lbf) of force to disengage the safeties and another 10 N (2.2 lbf) to 20 N (4.5 lbf) in the second stage to fire a shot.
Note: Comment was sarcasm Tab Apr 2013 #1
No safe storage laws proposed/passed ever applied to Law Enforcement bossy22 Apr 2013 #2
All the police I know jonthebru Apr 2013 #30
when the culture says they make you a man, people will do these things CreekDog Apr 2013 #49
^ THIS ^ mac56 Apr 2013 #59
So perhaps 20,000,000 women show guns for a different reason? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #77
I didn't say everyone wants to be a "man", nor does owning a gun make you one CreekDog Apr 2013 #80
the deputy should lose his job riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #3
Yes, my immediate thought was negligent homicide.... Deuce Apr 2013 #84
Considering this happened Shadowflash Apr 2013 #4
Yeah. What could possibly go wrong? tblue Apr 2013 #32
Here's video of a trained, law enforcement officer, with his gun, in front of kids: mikeytherat Apr 2013 #38
The deputy is a school officer. go west young man Apr 2013 #39
Heh. Shadowflash Apr 2013 #40
The gun culture claims another victim. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #5
So how many tens of millions do you blame? nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #79
Remember this story next time someone wants to put a gun in a school. Coyotl Apr 2013 #6
More gun laws would have prevented this tragedy, clearly... NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #7
Yes, they would have absolutely bowens43 Apr 2013 #14
Maybe mandatory life sentences for leaving a loaded gun within reach of a child? MH1 Apr 2013 #15
No such proposed laws apply to Sheriffs, AFAIK. NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #16
I don't know why such a law shouldn't apply to LEOs. MH1 Apr 2013 #18
That's the kind of law that would most likely be applied after the death or injury of a party. NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #55
Intelligence may have prevented this tragedy. jonthebru Apr 2013 #31
+1000000 n/t cosmicone Apr 2013 #35
I agree. Sure beats beating the drums of culture war. nc Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #81
Fewer guns damn well might have. tblue Apr 2013 #33
Laws won't always prevent accidents or provide immunity from stupidity, but... Sancho Apr 2013 #43
the important thing is that nothing ever moves you or your position CreekDog Apr 2013 #51
None of the laws being proposed anywhere in this country.... NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #52
again, nothing moves you, you can't even take a breath w/o the NRA talking points CreekDog Apr 2013 #54
Creekdog, take your posturing and righteousness elsewhere. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #82
as if you'd be posting here if there wasn't a gun issue involved CreekDog Apr 2013 #85
Your arguments are essentially this: Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #86
i'm not going to be lectured to by someone who can't find motivation to post on non-gun issues CreekDog Apr 2013 #87
Let's DO compare records... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #88
so you did all that stuff, yet almost all your posts here are about guns CreekDog Apr 2013 #89
That's the trouble with much of DU, too much condemnation of fellow progressives... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #90
you criticized my posts, you even criticized me by suggesting I was anti-woman CreekDog Apr 2013 #91
No suggestion made, and you know it. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #93
if you care about other issues as much as you do the gun issue, where are the posts? CreekDog Apr 2013 #92
The Innertubes create tunnel vision, I guess... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #94
Why the HELL was the gun loaded . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #8
I have read that there are as many accidental gun deaths Nevernose Apr 2013 #20
True enough. n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #21
Why is this so hard for the gun nuts to see? BlueStreak Apr 2013 #26
Perfect. tblue Apr 2013 #34
Most people who own guns get it. We understand that our weapons are dangerous, and not... slackmaster Apr 2013 #50
Driver education is optional in school, but BlueStreak Apr 2013 #56
In most states you have to get a license before you can carry a gun in public - concealed or open. slackmaster Apr 2013 #57
And therefore you must use a wrecker to move the vehicle BlueStreak Apr 2013 #67
If I transport a firearm from my home to a shooting range, it has to be unloaded and cased. slackmaster Apr 2013 #69
That is not the law in most of the country BlueStreak Apr 2013 #71
Exactly right. crim son Apr 2013 #72
One key thing that is NOT being proposed (yet) is liability insurance BlueStreak Apr 2013 #73
disgusting Skittles Apr 2013 #9
Pitifully, tragically stupid. defacto7 Apr 2013 #10
I am no longer even surprised by stories like this. avebury Apr 2013 #11
I always suspect a conspiracy in these "accidental" shotings tabasco Apr 2013 #12
reports are going out of the way to say "complete accident" when story is sketchy wordpix Apr 2013 #65
Who cares? It's just another dead human being. We have thousands of them every year...... bowens43 Apr 2013 #13
There you are: Another extremist prohibitionist. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #83
A sad story. Doc_Technical Apr 2013 #17
A loaded gun was in reach of a child. MH1 Apr 2013 #19
Forget the baby. Why was this idiot showing off a loaded gun BlueStreak Apr 2013 #27
Probably a Glock Blandocyte Apr 2013 #23
This is a problem with Automatics, note it was a NON-Service pistol that was fired. happyslug Apr 2013 #22
Just Clarifying presscac Apr 2013 #25
if a trained deputy can get careless with a firearm, more training is not going to negate samsingh Apr 2013 #24
And my state (Indiana) is now advancing a law that will require BlueStreak Apr 2013 #28
There seems to be a 'who cares it was a freak accident' attitude every time this happens. Lint Head Apr 2013 #29
He just HAD to show off his gun to his kin. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #36
issue is ... chambered round ... quadrature Apr 2013 #37
The ISSUES are: loaded weapon, chambered round, safety off, mikeytherat Apr 2013 #41
The weapon belonged to a school resource officer. Go, NRA. sinkingfeeling Apr 2013 #42
Another responsible gun owner... City Lights Apr 2013 #44
There is absolutely nothing accidental randr Apr 2013 #45
Guns should be no where near kids treestar Apr 2013 #46
the story is unbelievable and smells to the heavens, methinks wordpix Apr 2013 #47
The 4 year old came into the bedroom with the wife Beaverhausen Apr 2013 #53
the wife didn't notice? and the deputy left gun on bed with 4 y.o. near bedrm? wordpix Apr 2013 #61
The other witness is the guy he was showing it to, I think MH1 Apr 2013 #63
"within seconds of Fanning placing the gun on the bed, the toddler picked it up" - IOW, wordpix Apr 2013 #64
I see nothing about another witness, just that Fanning was showing the gun off wordpix Apr 2013 #66
I'm with you. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #74
K&R PolitFreak Apr 2013 #48
Similar shooting in NJ by a 4 year old HockeyMom Apr 2013 #58
Require liability insurance for gun owners. mac56 Apr 2013 #60
Ok... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #68
Thank goodness this family had a gun in the house to keep everyone safer! AndyA Apr 2013 #62
Quit harrassing this law-abiding gun owner! TroglodyteScholar Apr 2013 #70
The child shooting the gun was the only accident. Sunlei Apr 2013 #75
Someone, some gun advocate, please explain to me why the gun was loaded. nt patrice Apr 2013 #76
This deputy was the type of fool surveyed in the study floated yesterday Fresh_Start Apr 2013 #78
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