Luxury skyscraper hotel completely engulfed by fire in Grozny, Chechnya (VIDEO, PHOTOS)

[AtheistCrusader]

220. None of that is true. Not a word you just said is true about me.

I don't ignore the free fall evidence. It's quite apparent. I accept it as a part of the collapse given the long span steel cantilever frame, the three 'yokes' above the con Edison substation, and starting the collapse timing from the actual start of the collapse. (When the roofline penthouse and equipment area vanishes into... nowhere.) It is not unusual, disturbing, or troubling in the slightest in that context.

If you could go back in time, and freeze the world half a second before the outer walls (the corner that is oft used to establish the duration of free-fall (about 3 seconds)) start downward movement, you could not walk in the front doors of the building, through the interior, and out the back. It would be impossible, because much of the interior is already collapsed rubble, including major structural members.

What did you expect a 'natural' fire-caused collapse to look like? Do you expect the building to go over like a tree? It CAN'T. It weighs too much. Even compared to that Chinese apartment building that did a cartwheel. It's just too massive. Too vertical, too narrow of a footprint. And I disagree that a demolition company couldn't have brought it down relatively cleanly. That collapse actually kinda resembles a demolition in downward movement (WTC 1 & 2 do NOT), but it only resembles one. In actual effect, it was quite different, and extremely damaging to the surrounding structures. 30 West Broadway was destroyed by the collapse of WTC7, and it was across the street to the north. To the west, the Verizion building sustained $1.4 billion with a B, worth of damage.

That is NOT 'as perfect a fall as anyone could expect'.

1.4 BILLION in collateral damage to one neighboring building (approx. 2 Billion total to all surrounding buildings, 30 West was a much cheaper and smaller building than the Verizon building) is pretty bad work, as hypothetical 'demolitions' go.

The 'Official Story' at least in the capacity of the performance of the building structures, holds up. Purdue Univ. re-modeled it, found the collapse expected, etc. MIT, pretty much every major engineering firm to look at it, and actually model it, found the same weaknesses in the design. National fire codes for long span steel buildings have been revised as a result. They don't do that as busywork to cover up some bullshit. That's a major undertaking. United Laboratories, you name it.

Without getting into 'who knew what', and why intelligence reports were ignored, and why the President pretended 'no one could have known' when we later find out intelligence gists warned of it, how the FBI could have flubbed it, etc, without getting into any of that stuff, where I DO have questions, and WILL accuse at the least; criminal negligence, if not worse, if we are JUST talking about the physical effects of the planes hitting those buildings and the subsequent effects, then yes, I 'accept the official story'. I have ZERO hard evidence to suggest otherwise. And I'm ok with that.

At the end of the day, I think a lot of the noise and confusion and crazy accusations about demolitions and whatnot, diverted the national conversation away from culpability, to 'cest la vie' and trudging on, when there was very real blame to be reckoned in the aftermath. If you want to know why I get so angry, and attack 9-11 'truthers' like I do, it's for that reason. Perhaps they meant well. Perhaps they actually have some weird suspicion that they actually believe needs to be addressed. Whatever. I don't care. It's allowed an escape hatch through which the incompetent could escape justice. Men drawing up plans for a new war against an innocent country, unrelated to the attacks, so blinded by their agenda the real enemy just waltzed in and trashed the whole place... So yes, I get angry at truthers. I feel they have done us a great injustice. Whether they honestly meant what they claimed or not. I'm angry about that.