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pampango

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48. Here's a thought: The UN should put North Korea in the dock at The Hague
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:13 PM
Apr 2013
Back in 1994, when it was discovered that North Korea had furtively amassed enough plutonium for two bombs, Bill Clinton's administration seriously considered invasion but was horrified at the estimated cost: $100bn and a million casualties. War was averted by the diplomacy of Jimmy Carter, who negotiated an "agreed framework", which soon collapsed and was later replaced by "six-party talks", which have stuttered on for the past 10 years. Meanwhile the military has kept processing uranium and testing missiles.

There are two ways the security council can proceed. One is emollient: give North Korea what, behind all the bluster, it really wants, namely readmission to the NPT as the sixth (or seventh, behind India) nuclear weapon power. That has already been rejected by John Kerry, and would be resisted by other states. It may, however, be the only way, short of military force, to restrain this impossible state. Readmission to the NPT with that status would at least impose on it an eventual duty to disarm (albeit a duty on which, without invasive IAEA inspections, it might cheat).

The other option is to treat North Korea's threat of nuclear war as a crime against humanity, and to refer its behaviour to the international criminal court prosecutor for investigation and potential indictment of Kim Jong-un and his generals.

Using or threatening to use nuclear weapons was declared a crime against humanity by the UN in 1984
, while in 1996 the international court of justice ruled that "the threat or use of nuclear weapons would generally be contrary to the rules of (international) law", other than in "extreme circumstances of self-defence", which do not apply to North Korea's current threats of first use.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/07/north-korea-case-to-the-hague

I do not know that Kim ever leaves NK, but this may be a useful diplomatic strategy short of military action. I did not know that threatening to use nuclear weapons is a 'crime against humanity'. I'm glad that it is, just did not know that it has been so determined.

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that boy is warrprayer Apr 2013 #1
Like his father and grandfather. iandhr Apr 2013 #3
"Like his father and grandfather" defacto7 Apr 2013 #19
I thought he actually moved some missiles to the coastline Babel_17 Apr 2013 #24
Kim il Sung was somewhat tame on the world stage. David__77 Apr 2013 #58
Is there a video of him saying this statement? Ter Apr 2013 #42
bye bye North Korea. bunnies Apr 2013 #2
Yeah, North Korea will be the target and the rest of the world will just be collateral damage. olddad56 Apr 2013 #55
If NK starts a nuclear war... bunnies Apr 2013 #57
Drizzle, drazzle, drozzle, drone, premium Apr 2013 #4
I'd basically think so. Suicidal alert. PatrynXX Apr 2013 #7
Duh gee TC how we gonna get over the wall? n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #17
Is this a global game of Suicide By Cop? FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #5
That is what I was thinking. We have been talking about banks that are too big to fail and Bernie jwirr Apr 2013 #23
that's probably the best analogy I've seen so far about this whole mess dlwickham Apr 2013 #41
Maybe so. AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #51
You know gcomeau Apr 2013 #6
Or better yet, hack the news broadcast to show documentaries about the survivors of... Crowman1979 Apr 2013 #8
They should show people in SK and China having abundant meals Renew Deal Apr 2013 #13
That could easily be faked XemaSab Apr 2013 #61
They can also show this... Renew Deal Apr 2013 #14
USA used Iraq and Afghanistan to create a major military presence ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #9
War makes rich people richer. That's all it does. Oh, yes, and makes PWDM dead or crippled. valerief Apr 2013 #11
Except for the fact that 9/11 happened, Iraq shouldn't have happened, and we're not in Iraq anymore Renew Deal Apr 2013 #12
USA not in Iraq anymore? ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #26
Makes sense to me. AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #50
No, not true... SkyDaddy7 Apr 2013 #16
As I look into my crystal ball.... defacto7 Apr 2013 #21
I totally agree, premium Apr 2013 #25
you read my mind MFM008 Apr 2013 #40
Is that why the CIA is making North Korea say this? WHAT BULLIES! octothorpe Apr 2013 #49
Japan is killing itself with its nuclear power policy. nt valerief Apr 2013 #10
Greek tragedy levels of pain if Japan were to be the country to get nuked AGAIN... AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #15
I got whiplash from the sudden pivot from SK to Japan charlie and algernon Apr 2013 #33
Fuck. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #18
Like most leaders in the world, Iliyah Apr 2013 #20
I wonder if this young leader is being set up by his own people Babel_17 Apr 2013 #22
This little turd needs to be flushed. Moostache Apr 2013 #27
It's a little vague for me defacto7 Apr 2013 #28
I'm beginning to wonder who is really in charge over there, premium Apr 2013 #31
"Conurbation?" mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2013 #29
I had to google it. It's the next step up from a metropolitan area. charlie and algernon Apr 2013 #34
Fer crissakes, don't punish a whole country because they have an idiot son Duer 157099 Apr 2013 #30
I love simple answers like this telclaven Apr 2013 #32
Really? You don't know? Duer 157099 Apr 2013 #35
Welcome to telclaven! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #45
NK is unlike any other country. It is a racist religious cult which has the backing of its military snagglepuss Apr 2013 #39
Be careful what you wish for dumbass jpak Apr 2013 #36
Yeah, premium Apr 2013 #37
How long has the United States had to develop nuclear weapons? gordianot Apr 2013 #38
That boy needs therapy: Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #43
I think they may have meant "unattainable." Orsino Apr 2013 #44
Let me see if I have this right...WTF? PearliePoo2 Apr 2013 #46
If they test fire a long range missile Soundman Apr 2013 #54
The last month has been the most elaborate suicide note ever. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #47
Here's a thought: The UN should put North Korea in the dock at The Hague pampango Apr 2013 #48
The history with John2 Apr 2013 #53
As I read the UN's position, having a nuclear deterrent is not a 'crime against humanity', but pampango Apr 2013 #62
"threatening to use nuclear weapons was declared a crime against humanity by the UN" bananas Apr 2013 #60
Trying to drive a wedge between the US and Japan. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #52
OR more playing to the base. Igel Apr 2013 #64
Everybody chill! polly7 Apr 2013 #56
This is one screwed up roller coaster ride Adam-Bomb Apr 2013 #59
I guess he wasnt getting enough attention threatening the US. DCBob Apr 2013 #63
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