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LostOne4Ever

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78. This story sounds wrong

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 06:04 AM

Apr 2013

I just got through reading the Prayers for Boston Page, and now coming to this thread the difference in sentiment seems shocking.

In the other thread people were talking about praying for the younger brother, and here I am hearing about this mosque turning away this family and everyone is calling his family scum . I get that he committed the worst type of deeds, but he was still a Muslim wasn't he? Didn't he do this because of his beliefs?

I can't help but think the mosque is more interested in protecting themselves from scorn and protecting their own PR than they are in doing right by his family. As if they want to say he wasn't REALLY a Muslim, No TRUE Muslim would do this. Its like they are abandoning their duty to the family.

But I know almost nothing about Islam, so im not sure if these are fair sentiments. Does anyone know what the Qur'an say on this? Does it specifically call for excommunication (is that the right word?) for murder? What about this "Fardhu Kifayah" mentioned in post 53? Is there an exception actually listed in the book?

Regardless, I feel funerals are more for the family. So, in lieu of evidence to the contrary, I'm inclined to assume they had nothing to do with his actions (or at least his uncle's side of the family). I can't help but think they should have the chance to say good-bye. Even if its in a private ceremony in an unmarked plot.

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Boston bomb suspect's aunt: Mosque won't bury Tamerlan Tsarnaev [View all] DonViejo Apr 2013 OP

Who can blame them? nt Poll_Blind Apr 2013 #1

How do Muslims feel about cremation? Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #2

It's generally forbidden, I believe. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #4

That's what I was guessing, but I did not know for certain. Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #8

If a safe place for burial cannot be found, burial at sea is an option. MADem Apr 2013 #74

Two reasons why we Muslims do not burn the dead DonViejo Apr 2013 #9

Gracias. Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #16

Donada. nt DonViejo Apr 2013 #20

Historically there's another reason for the prohibition Xithras Apr 2013 #50

Very interesting. snagglepuss Apr 2013 #55

excellent kiri Apr 2013 #64

I don't blame the Mosque in the least. Marrah_G Apr 2013 #3

Neither do I Brimley Apr 2013 #77

Because your whole family is scum and the local Islamic community wants nothing to do with you! Crowman1979 Apr 2013 #5

There is nothing to indicate his family were terrorists Jennicut Apr 2013 #43

this is a tough one. it is lose lose for them. religiously, they have an obligation to bury the man. seabeyond Apr 2013 #6

I don't think they are doing this because 'we' lack understanding, I think that they are Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #10

thank you. i was only looking at it from a very superficial perspective. the simplest of forgiveness seabeyond Apr 2013 #11

All Christians have to do is... SkyDaddy7 Apr 2013 #71

I don't believe Tien1985 Apr 2013 #79

Crab Bait Anyone? 1ProudAtheist Apr 2013 #7

Fuck that... Body farm... Pelican Apr 2013 #76

Just the fact that they asked them shows how clueless they are .. flamingdem Apr 2013 #12

mom is going through a grieving process Skittles Apr 2013 #60

these replies all seem like xenophobic teabag kneejerk comments. marble falls Apr 2013 #13

I see it more as this. Since he obviously fell out of the mosque's teachings, was not a member, why uppityperson Apr 2013 #18

My issue isn't with the mosque. My issue is with the replies from DU members. marble falls Apr 2013 #22

Many here are not the shiniest BB's in the bag! peace13 Apr 2013 #56

Quite the opposite--this murdering pig's crimes removed him from geek tragedy Apr 2013 #21

He may have been a murderer, he was not a pig. We seem to be living in a nation of murderers.... marble falls Apr 2013 #25

Oh please. His actions were against Islam, and ergo the Muslim community disowned him. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #28

Since when do we care about the tenents of Islam? My point isn't about religion at all. And I .... marble falls Apr 2013 #35

That is the reaction people have to murdering scumbags. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #36

And its wrong if we hold to our values in here in the US. Murdering "scumbag" or not. Flip.... marble falls Apr 2013 #68

The guy isn't being tortured or lynched. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #69

This is someone who deliberately murdered and maimed innocent people. LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #62

He's dead. Don't you think he's out of the sphere of this plane for justice? Defiling corpses is.... marble falls Apr 2013 #70

+1 cali Apr 2013 #81

Why? intheflow Apr 2013 #24

Read the comments by the members "pig", "crab bait", "place him into a sewer".... marble falls Apr 2013 #29

He's a pig and pissing on his grave because he's a terrorist. intheflow Apr 2013 #32

Not at all. He was a terrorist. He is also a human. Speculation on an improbable is what got all.... marble falls Apr 2013 #41

I agree it's a dehumanizing statement, intheflow Apr 2013 #44

We can agree on that last. marble falls Apr 2013 #47

Crab Bait 1ProudAtheist Apr 2013 #40

If US justice is good enough for you and me, it would have been good enough for Osama bin Laden. I.. marble falls Apr 2013 #42

I Like Your Intellectual Approach In This Thread DallasNE Apr 2013 #54

This Poster is not John2 Apr 2013 #63

Thanks, sometimes there is a valid third way. marble falls Apr 2013 #67

"cycle of hatred on both sides" Union Scribe Apr 2013 #75

Thank you. No one needs to be right or wrong to be politely heard. marble falls Apr 2013 #66

Good, cremate him and toss his ashes down the sewer. Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #14

An unmarked grave? LeftInTX Apr 2013 #15

The government has unmarked graves for unclaimed bodies. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #17

Yup. It would have to be unmarked, or there'd be a lot of whizzing on that plot. nt Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #23

Died at Beth Israel hospital and his mosque won't bury him. intheflow Apr 2013 #19

I've been waiting for Mom or Dad... DonViejo Apr 2013 #26

His father apparently didn't approve of his extremist views of Islam. intheflow Apr 2013 #30

Well, the father appears more secular, the mom eissa Apr 2013 #31

She doesn't strike me as very devout, either. intheflow Apr 2013 #34

Mom was the one pushing religion... DonViejo Apr 2013 #33

Worrying about your kid getting into drugs and trouble intheflow Apr 2013 #38

And I didn't say she was pushing extremism either... DonViejo Apr 2013 #39

Well, you're waiting for the parents to spew Jewish conspiracy theories intheflow Apr 2013 #45

The mother is all ready spewing anti-American conspiracy theories... DonViejo Apr 2013 #48

So you're basing your assumption in part on something that hasn't been reported. intheflow Apr 2013 #52

Yes and no.... DonViejo Apr 2013 #57

Ever read the comment sections of presstv.com? octothorpe Apr 2013 #65

I had not even thought of that - dying in a Jewish hospital. About burying patricia92243 Apr 2013 #27

It's not and never has been a Jewish hospital. cali Apr 2013 #80

Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital, in its current incarnation, is not a Jewish hospital. intheflow Apr 2013 #83

I really wish his family would all just stop talking. hamsterjill Apr 2013 #37

Lucky for us this does not reanimate the monster. truthisfreedom Apr 2013 #46

***NOT TRUE, said member of Boston Muslim community, elleng Apr 2013 #49

Too bad Taverner Apr 2013 #51

I believe the reason is to protect Islamic Society of Boston muxin Apr 2013 #53

My thought, as well. Or at least that particular mosque. Welcome to DU, muxin! JudyM Apr 2013 #61

He needs to be buried, period, in whatever cemetery will take his body. colorado_ufo Apr 2013 #58

Ahh-- A breeze of fresh air out of the wilderness warrant46 Apr 2013 #59

Thank you for what you write. +1 uppityperson Apr 2013 #73

good for them!!! \n Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #72

This story sounds wrong LostOne4Ever Apr 2013 #78

Dad wants to take him home to Chechnya for burial marshall Apr 2013 #82