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olegramps

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29. Like millions of my fellow Americans I choose to leave the Catholic Church over birth control.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 06:44 PM
Feb 2012

While maybe a minority of practicing Catholics may oppose contraception, the vast majority of childbearing age actively employ contraceptive measures. Numerous surveys attest to this fact. I would like to remind Catholics that John XXIII formed a commission to investigate the morality of contraception. Unfortunately, before the commission completed its work he died and was succeeded by Paul VI.

Even after the Vatican cronies attempted to appoint bishops opposing change, the commission voted to recommend a change in the church's teaching. A major factor was the future Pope John Paul II who had been appoint to the commission but boycotted it and even went as far as lying that he couldn't get a travel visa. The Polish government stated that they had never denied him a exit visa the intire time that he residend in Poland. In fact he made numerous trips to several countries with many trips to the Vatican. The fact was that he was directing the writing of want would become the church's reaffirmation of the church's teaching. The primary reason that was given was that if the church reversed itself the papacy would lose credibility since it had strenuously condemned contraception for years. It had nothing to do with providing Catholics with morally reasonable family planning options.

It must also be recognised that Pope John Paul II led a campaign to replace EVERY bishop who disagreed with his anti-sexual teachings. As a consequence the present bishops are traditionalists that have attempted to return the church back into the Dark Ages. They absolutely do not represent the average catholic on a number issues and are as intellectually bankrupt as the cult of Opus Dei that presently dominates the Catholic Church.

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Tim Kaine is ridiculous!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #1
Tim Kaine has an election to win Proud Public Servant Feb 2012 #2
Didn't say that I disagree, it's just that I think he's a weak Democrat and have always Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #13
He can't be an anti-choice candidate and still be different than a Republican. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #31
If you think there's no difference between an anti-choice Dem and a Republican, Proud Public Servant Feb 2012 #36
First, Casey wasn't the ONLY Dem who could possibly have beaten Santorum... Ken Burch Feb 2012 #37
Reid versus McConnell Proud Public Servant Feb 2012 #42
It doesn't have to be a Virginian Feingold Ken Burch Feb 2012 #44
People tend to over estimate Virginia Dr_Scholl Feb 2012 #69
He doesn't have to run against the Democratic Party's core values to do that. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #46
Tim Kaine knows how to get elected as a Democrat in Virginia Freddie Stubbs Feb 2012 #3
Bingo [n/t] Proud Public Servant Feb 2012 #4
Tim Kaine isn't non-conservative on any major issue. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #33
Yes, and one year after Obama carried Virginia Proud Public Servant Feb 2012 #38
The loss in Virginia in 2009 was largely Kaine's fault Ken Burch Feb 2012 #39
He is opposed to capital punishment Freddie Stubbs Feb 2012 #52
OK..fine...on that one issue...which won't even come up in the U.S. Senate Ken Burch Feb 2012 #55
He supported Obama's stimulus plan Freddie Stubbs Feb 2012 #68
We were in massive debt at the time, so it was a no-brainer... Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #70
It wasn't a no-brainer for conservatives Freddie Stubbs Feb 2012 #72
Virgins in Virginia don't need contraception nt julian09 Feb 2012 #5
yeah better a DINO than a RINO...or are those the same thing? nt msongs Feb 2012 #7
The only real diffrences is the sway of who holds majority party power and committee power Lone_Star_Dem Feb 2012 #18
And if Kaine gets to be a commitee chair, we can assume Ken Burch Feb 2012 #49
freshman will not be a committee chair karynnj Feb 2012 #67
True, I'll take him over any Republican. I just hope that he doesn't pull an Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #14
Seems like every dem.... dennis4868 Feb 2012 #23
By persecuting women? Ken Burch Feb 2012 #32
By running as a Republcan? Ken Burch Feb 2012 #45
Or, at least he think he knows Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #59
Hmm kenfrequed Feb 2012 #10
Read my post #14 above. I don't think it'll be a good strategy to distance Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #15
Hmm kenfrequed Feb 2012 #19
I think this may loose Obama the election. JoyN62 Feb 2012 #17
A majority of Catholics support birth control. Just because the leadership of the church Arkana Feb 2012 #21
Most catholics... dennis4868 Feb 2012 #25
K&R red dog 1 Feb 2012 #28
Like millions of my fellow Americans I choose to leave the Catholic Church over birth control. olegramps Feb 2012 #29
But this fight is not about birth control in the mind of the church JoyN62 Feb 2012 #51
I could not disagree with you more. olegramps Feb 2012 #53
Interesting perspective JoyN62 Feb 2012 #54
People, especially the younger people will be the deciding element. olegramps Feb 2012 #71
so this is about Tim Kaine getting elected in Virginia. got it. Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #6
Damn WaPo got it wrong, elleng Feb 2012 #8
Obama is not forcing anything on anyone.... dennis4868 Feb 2012 #26
First of all it is insurance companies, NOT religious institutions. Second, and most important, I still_one Feb 2012 #9
This is why Debbie is running things now, Tim. MjolnirTime Feb 2012 #11
OH Sick from the bottom of my socks harry23 Feb 2012 #12
Cancel all coverage for male impotence and we'll call it even perdita9 Feb 2012 #16
the Catholic church is pro-boner, anti-women Skittles Feb 2012 #27
Eh, Kaine is anti-choice too Arkana Feb 2012 #20
The real question is...is he with us MORE than against us? Ken Burch Feb 2012 #34
If you can't accept the guys who are with us on 90-95% of issues, Arkana Feb 2012 #43
Kaine isn't with us on 90-95% of the issues. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #47
I don't know if you're a Virginian or not Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #60
Solution is very simple. The feds offer birth control coverage to anyone whose employer won't. McCamy Taylor Feb 2012 #22
ingenious! (n/t) a2liberal Feb 2012 #30
Kaine is not the issue. Obama's re-election is the issue. red dog 1 Feb 2012 #24
Kaine should be barred from running for any Democratic nomination Ken Burch Feb 2012 #41
Who gives a damn what this DINO thinks. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #35
It can't be good for Obama for our nominee in Virginia to be sharply to Obama's right Ken Burch Feb 2012 #40
It's his reward for being a good soldier Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #61
Kaine was practically invisible during his DNC leadership years in the Shrub regime Canuckistanian Feb 2012 #48
And every special election loss we had in 2009 was Kaine's fault. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #50
Including losing his own state Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #62
If you can send me some more info about the internal party foolishness in a pm, I'd be much obliged. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #64
pm sent Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #66
gotta love these right wingers in the Dem party... such Pragmatists, aren't they??? fascisthunter Feb 2012 #56
No one is forcing the Catholic church to do anything DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #57
Tim just cut the legs out of this non-issue with the Republican nominee underpants Feb 2012 #58
Which would mean something if it weren't for the fact that, on every issue besides the death penalty Ken Burch Feb 2012 #63
"...Kaine criticized the Obama administration’s new policy..." unkachuck Feb 2012 #65
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