Tim Kaine splits with Obama on birth control rule for religious groups

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53. I could not disagree with you more.

I personally know four men that are now bishops and they are strict traditionalist. I was in a position to know numerous seminarians and priests who left by the hundreds over this very issue. A minority are so opposed the changes that were inaugurated during Vatican II that would desire to have the Mass return to being said in Latin. As to abortion, I have seen several studies that indicate the MAJORITY of Catholic women believe that it is justified under some circumstances as opposed to the church's stance the it is not even justified to protect the life of the mother. The church's teaching is not too surprising given the history of numerous theologians who taught that women were defective inferior beings.

If Catholics would take out the effort to read some of the addresses by the bishops during the council they would be amazed how liberal and far reaching they were. Their intellectual accomplishments make the present cadre look like the intellectual bankrupt failures that they are. Remember that the church's teachings on human sexuality were based in great part on the thinking that the semen was a like a seed or miniature human being that grew to mature fetus. This is why they so opposed masturbation since it was spilling the seed. It is not surprising that that many theologians did not consider female masturbation as being sinful. That would come latter when they were forced to rethink their teaching in light of scientific evidence. So rather than reversing themselves, an unheard of feat, they just extended it to include females.

This isn't about contraception or abortion. It is about the Catholic Church's inability to admit that their teachings are grounded in ignorance. If given their way, they would still adhere to the Flat Earth beliefs rather than concede that perhaps that Galileo was right after all. Perhaps in four centuries of so they will finally relent of the contraception issue.

It is all about control.