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Hell Hath No Fury

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39. Good lord -
Fri May 17, 2013, 01:02 PM
May 2013

the ignorance of some here. John Paul Stevens was one of our best Justices, coming down on the right side almost every time, including Bush v. Gore.

Bush v. Gore was, at it's core according to the Minority, about the State of Florida having the final say in their election process v. the Federal Government. The Supreme's Majority's opinion rationale is what Stevens is referring to. This in particular:

"Moreover, the court’s interpretation of 'legal vote,' and hence its decision to order a contest-period recount, plainly departed from the legislative scheme. Florida statutory law cannot reasonably be thought to require the counting of improperly marked ballots. Each Florida precinct before election day provides instructions on how properly to cast a vote, §101.46; each polling place on election day contains a working model of the voting machine it uses, §101.5611; and each voting booth contains a sample ballot, §101.46. In precincts using punch-card ballots, voters are instructed to punch out the ballot cleanly:

AFTER VOTING, CHECK YOUR BALLOT CARD TO BE SURE YOUR VOTING SELECTIONS ARE CLEARLY AND CLEANLY PUNCHED AND THERE ARE NO CHIPS LEFT HANGING ON THE BACK OF THE CARD.

Instructions to Voters, quoted in Touchston v. McDermott, 2000 WL 1781942, *6 & n. 19 (CA11) (Tjoflat, J., dissenting). No reasonable person would call it 'an error in the vote tabulation,' Fla. Stat. §102.166(5), or a “rejection of legal votes,” Fla. Stat. §102.168(3)(c),4 when electronic or electromechanical equipment performs precisely in the manner designed, and fails to count those ballots that are not marked in the manner that these voting instructions explicitly and prominently specify. The scheme that the Florida Supreme Court’s opinion attributes to the legislature is one in which machines are required to be 'capable of correctly counting votes,' §101.5606(4), but which nonetheless regularly produces elections in which legal votes are predictably not tabulated, so that in close elections manual recounts are regularly required. This is of course absurd. The Secretary of State, who is authorized by law to issue binding interpretations of the election code, §§97.012, 106.23, rejected this peculiar reading of the statutes. See DE 00—13 (opinion of the Division of Elections). The Florida Supreme Court, although it must defer to the Secretary’s interpretations, see Krivanek v. Take Back Tampa Political Committee, 625 So. 2d 840, 844 (Fla. 1993), rejected her reasonable interpretation and embraced the peculiar one. See Palm Beach County Canvassing Board v. Harris, No. SC00—2346 (Dec. 11, 2000) (Harris III).

But as we indicated in our remand of the earlier case, in a Presidential election the clearly expressed intent of the legislature must prevail. And there is no basis for reading the Florida statutes as requiring the counting of improperly marked ballots, as an examination of the Florida Supreme Court’s textual analysis shows. We will not parse that analysis here, except to note that the principal provision of the election code on which it relied, §101.5614(5), was, as the Chief Justice pointed out in his dissent from Harris II, entirely irrelevant. See Gore v. Harris, No. SC00-2431, slip op., at 50 (Dec. 8, 2000). The State’s Attorney General (who was supporting the Gore challenge) confirmed in oral argument here that never before the present election had a manual recount been conducted on the basis of the contention that “undervotes” should have been examined to determine voter intent. Tr. of Oral Arg. in Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Bd., 39—40 (Dec. 1, 2000); cf. Broward County Canvassing Board v. Hogan, 607 So. 2d 508, 509 (Fla. Ct. App. 1992) (denial of recount for failure to count ballots with “hanging paper chads”). For the court to step away from this established practice, prescribed by the Secretary of State, the state official charged by the legislature with “responsibility to … [o]btain and maintain uniformity in the application, operation, and interpretation of the election laws,” §97.012(1), was to depart from the legislative scheme."

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They all come out of the woodwork now after our economy has been ruined AllyCat May 2013 #1
exactly heaven05 May 2013 #17
It sells books and raises speaking engagement fees. xtraxritical May 2013 #25
thanks heaven05 May 2013 #27
Lies have a way of catching up....They want to right this wrong before they meet thei finial Judge.. Tippy May 2013 #26
yep heaven05 May 2013 #28
What are you going on about? Stevens voted AGAINST the decision which put Bush in the White House CreekDog May 2013 #32
yes! heaven05 May 2013 #41
what is your rant about Justice Stevens --is he too liberal for you? CreekDog May 2013 #44
NO heaven05 May 2013 #48
I fully agree gopiscrap May 2013 #56
Don't get all worked up...I now realize I should have named the guilty... Tippy May 2013 #51
That was an interesting comment: sulphurdunn May 2013 #74
You are quite right dotymed May 2013 #19
Her husband has Alzheimer's, which is why she wanted a Republican tblue37 May 2013 #24
In heaven05 May 2013 #43
Bush v. Gore mehrrh May 2013 #31
Wasn't O'Connor's point that the court didn't need to take the case as opposed to the decision? 24601 May 2013 #60
Stevens wrote the original dissent in the case .... markpkessinger May 2013 #35
I know that. Just all of a sudden, the Supremes are coming out and saying it candidly AllyCat May 2013 #68
"They"? Justice Stevens wrote the DISSENT in Bush vs. Gore. Hekate May 2013 #63
I know. Please see #68. Maybe Creekdog will do the same after sending a PM AllyCat May 2013 #69
It's way late to be apoligizing for that huge mistake, doncha think? Harriety May 2013 #2
Remember there were 2 decisions. The first was 7 to 2.Stevens had nothing to do with the 5 to 4 graham4anything May 2013 #5
you do realize he wrote the dissent against the decision, right? magical thyme May 2013 #18
What does Stevens have to apologize for? NYC Liberal May 2013 #23
Stevens has to apologize for that poster's ignorance CreekDog May 2013 #33
Stevens didnt make a mistake. He dissented from the majority and wrote the dissenting opinion. stevenleser May 2013 #76
That's two now. AndyA May 2013 #3
For my lifetime and beyond... Island Deac May 2013 #6
He wrote the dissenting opinion on Bush v Gore - he was never for that decision - so there's only UpInArms May 2013 #16
Yes, I know Stevens wrote the dissent AndyA May 2013 #54
Stevens commented on that at the time. This is nothing new. His dissent said it all. stevenleser May 2013 #75
My observation was that two of the Justices have recently commented on Bush v. Gore AndyA May 2013 #78
If you don't know that Stevens voted against the decision, why are you commenting on it? CreekDog May 2013 #30
I did it just to provoke a response from you AndyA May 2013 #53
you said "that's two now" --well it's only ONE now CreekDog May 2013 #57
Again, YOUR words not mine. AndyA May 2013 #59
Stevens is one of the good ones.If only they stopped after the 7 to 2 to go back to Florida. graham4anything May 2013 #4
Nader was no longer in my book after that. To me he has undone all the good things JackN415 May 2013 #9
I agree with you, except I don't think Roberts will begin siding with the majority. spooky3 May 2013 #11
Mr. Nader was exercising his Constitutional right to run for office. rhett o rick May 2013 #12
You've brilliantly refuted the argument that Nader didn't have the right to run. Jim Lane May 2013 #62
The logic that Ralph Nader is to blame for our current mess is totally absurd. rhett o rick May 2013 #66
Yet another straw man. Jim Lane May 2013 #67
"I don't know of anyone -- any real live person -- who believes that "it's all Nader's fault." " rhett o rick May 2013 #70
you're a democrat? hypergrove May 2013 #22
Unfortunately for all of us, regret iamthebandfanman May 2013 #7
+1 JackN415 May 2013 #10
he voted against the Bush v. Gore decision --don't you know anything? CreekDog May 2013 #29
lmao iamthebandfanman May 2013 #45
"He's come to the realization" !???? BlueStreak May 2013 #8
yes, that writer is throwing his own spin (and ignorance) into that line. spooky3 May 2013 #13
His conscience is bothering him. He was a member of a SCOTUS that overstepped it's rhett o rick May 2013 #14
Why should Stevens' conscience be bothering him? markpkessinger May 2013 #37
That would be a question for him. It sounds like it to me. Maybe he doesnt think he did rhett o rick May 2013 #49
He was a dissenter, so I give him props for that Downtown Hound May 2013 #15
Beyond issuing a very strong dissent.... markpkessinger May 2013 #38
Gone on every news program, every pundit show, every talk show Downtown Hound May 2013 #58
That would have done nothing. The simple answer to that is... stevenleser May 2013 #79
I'm not saying it wouldn't have stood Downtown Hound May 2013 #80
Too fucking little too fucking late!!!!!! liberal N proud May 2013 #20
He strongly wrote and voted against that decision CreekDog May 2013 #34
The guy penned a stinging diessent at the time . . . markpkessinger May 2013 #36
way. way too little, too late. But never too late to put Bush behind bars. olddad56 May 2013 #55
I would say "political". bemildred May 2013 #21
Good lord - Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #39
For those keeping score, responses in this thread are running 14 False and 17 True CreekDog May 2013 #40
The deficit in reading comprehension around here is embarrassing. RC May 2013 #50
It is just so bloody disheartening, is all I can say Hekate May 2013 #64
I know, sometimes it's like watching Faux news. freshwest May 2013 #65
The responses require a double face palm. In fact, I only wish I had more arms and hands so that... stevenleser May 2013 #77
He's right now and Duval May 2013 #42
Most of us on DU agreed with Stevens way back in 2000. And he is still right. JDPriestly May 2013 #46
He has "come to the realization"? After twelve years of deliberation? Orsino May 2013 #47
You do know that Stevens wrote the *dissenting* opinion in Bush v Gore, don't you? longship May 2013 #52
The words on that dissent sizzled with anger Samantha May 2013 #71
pre fox "news" republicans sigmasix May 2013 #72
the Supreme court should never had ruled in the vote lovuian May 2013 #61
Gee . . ya think? n/t Strelnikov_ May 2013 #73
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