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22. And they're supposed to be the Good Guys in this equation?

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 05:01 AM

Jun 2013

They are punishing the guy for saying "Fuck the government" and no one notices that "free speech" isn't much of a thing in the PRC?

And people who were his associates were "disappeared." The tax evasion charge was just the final beat down.

Then, on 8 April, police returned to Ai's workshop to examine his financial affairs.[105] On 9 April, Ai's accountant, as well as studio partner Liu Zhenggang and driver Zhang Jingsong, disappeared,[106] while Ai's assistant Wen Tao has remained missing since Ai's arrest on 3 April.[107]

If they're lucky, they are in a work camp in the middle of hell for four years to a decade or more. If they are unlucky, they were among the thousands of people that PRC puts to death every year.

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White House: "We expect" Hong Kong to comply with Snowden extradition [View all] alp227 Jun 2013 OP

Snowden SamKnause Jun 2013 #1

There is a white House on line petition cyclezealot Jun 2013 #9

It's now at 105,404. I highly encourage people to continue signing it Catherina Jun 2013 #15

Snowden SamKnause Jun 2013 #17

Caution---You will make their enemies list warrant46 Jun 2013 #35

Thanks, done, K&R. nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #36

"we expect" <- The kind of language used towards subordinates Ash_F Jun 2013 #2

Who owns who though? tblue Jun 2013 #5

We both have the other by the fiddly bits, if you want to put a fine point on it. MADem Jun 2013 #14

Hong Kong doesn't need us all that much. There is a whole world JDPriestly Jun 2013 #18

They answer to PRC, though. They are as "independent" as Beijing ALLOWS them to be. MADem Jun 2013 #21

If they were limiting this to targetting the PRC, it would be much smaller, JDPriestly Jun 2013 #31

I agree that we have been pennywise and pound foolish regarding our IT hiring. MADem Jun 2013 #45

Being bored in high school is no excuse. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #48

Who will do the divine intervention on Unit 61398, I wonder? MADem Jun 2013 #49

We would be more effective in shutting it down if we were not doing massive JDPriestly Jun 2013 #51

I doubt that. We're pikers compared to them. MADem Jun 2013 #58

And they probably target people like Snowden. They no doubt JDPriestly Jun 2013 #59

Church is still out on that theory, but I wouldn't be shocked if that turned out to be the case. MADem Jun 2013 #60

I agree. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #61

I am not surprised about the metadata, actually. MADem Jun 2013 #62

I understand and appreciate the concern about Chinese hacking of our JDPriestly Jun 2013 #23

Agreed marions ghost Jun 2013 #32

That is a mighty interesting choice of words. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #3

I thought this part especially 'good' azurnoir Jun 2013 #4

That's exactly what our govt. is telling Hong Kong. premium Jun 2013 #6

Rule of law. Rule of law?? This administration talks about the rule of law???... truth2power Jun 2013 #7

The WH appealing to the "rule of law" at this point is laughable. nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #8

The program itself chills our fundamental rights and is therefore JDPriestly Jun 2013 #19

That's pretty much my take as well 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #28

thanks for that marions ghost Jun 2013 #33

What else would you expect? Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #10

"following in the footsteps" dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #24

American values: "We expect" Obama to grant a pardon and curtail spying on citizens. PSPS Jun 2013 #11

Snowden is not the story,. the info. he released is. Civilization2 Jun 2013 #12

Sometimes we don't get what we expect. DeSwiss Jun 2013 #13

"Hong Kong has been a historically good partner of the United States Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #16

+1000, JDPriestly Jun 2013 #20

And they're supposed to be the Good Guys in this equation? MADem Jun 2013 #22

Re: Hong Kong & China want to show ... mallard Jun 2013 #25

Little late. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #26

So they did indeed mallard Jun 2013 #27

Hong Kong and China just shook off that pesky gum stuck to their shoe! MADem Jun 2013 #29

yawn marions ghost Jun 2013 #34

Unit 61398, that's who. nt MADem Jun 2013 #42

Oh gosh marions ghost Jun 2013 #44

You're not coming from a place of understanding. Have a nice day. nt MADem Jun 2013 #46

You have not made a good case for your POV marions ghost Jun 2013 #47

That's your view and you're certainly entitled to it. MADem Jun 2013 #50

The NSA is watching so I guess you're right, I should shut up marions ghost Jun 2013 #52

You might do well to not take online discussions so personally. MADem Jun 2013 #54

OK well I guess since You're sure the NSA doesn't care about me marions ghost Jun 2013 #55

Good move. nt MADem Jun 2013 #56

They aided and abetted his escape. MADem Jun 2013 #39

And THIS is EXACTLY where the US is going if these programs... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #30

China has been down this road since the eighties, when they were stealing and copying MADem Jun 2013 #41

And there's at least some evidence, that "intercepted" trade secrets... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #53

Really? MADem Jun 2013 #57

No I DO NOT believe it should be a free for all. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #63

Well, given that NO one--not them, not us--is going to "stop doing it" this sounds like a free for MADem Jun 2013 #64

You're probably right that it is, was and always will be a free for all. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #65

Well, it's not our problem, really--it's our educational opportunity. MADem Jun 2013 #66

There aren't any good guys. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #37

Really? MADem Jun 2013 #38

White House just got burned! morningfog Jun 2013 #40

That's funny. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #43