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JDPriestly

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31. If they were limiting this to targetting the PRC, it would be much smaller,
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:26 PM
Jun 2013

more discreet, and no one would be talking about it.

They aren't, and it isn't, and that is why someone is talking about it.

I assure you that the PRC probably already knew about this program. Chinese students are in every graduate department in nearly every university in the country. They train for their work here.

If we want to maintain our sovereignty and secrets, we first have to be more discerning about who we allow to enter our country and for what purposes.

Student exchanges are great, but we should put certain limits on them. And we should not have H1-B visa-holders who have utterly no loyalty to the US doing so much of our computer work.

We should be educating Americans to do that work and to provide the creativity we need.

The internet is a system. If you learn to understand a system, you can analyze it and figure out what it could do. Then you can test it to see if it will do what you think it could do. I believe that the Chinese hack into the internet use of their own citizens. If they do that, what would prevent them from hacking into the rest of the internet, and what would prevent them from identifying people who can break codes, who have the mathematical facility to work on codes. It is naive to think that the Chinese would not have broken into our most classified information. We taught them how to do it.

They have been making our computers for years. We always underestimate the intelligence of others because we think that wealth is proof of intelligence so anyone less wealthy than we must be stupid. That is a huge mistake. It is simply wrong.

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Snowden SamKnause Jun 2013 #1
There is a white House on line petition cyclezealot Jun 2013 #9
It's now at 105,404. I highly encourage people to continue signing it Catherina Jun 2013 #15
Snowden SamKnause Jun 2013 #17
Caution---You will make their enemies list warrant46 Jun 2013 #35
Thanks, done, K&R. nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #36
"we expect" <- The kind of language used towards subordinates Ash_F Jun 2013 #2
Who owns who though? tblue Jun 2013 #5
We both have the other by the fiddly bits, if you want to put a fine point on it. MADem Jun 2013 #14
Hong Kong doesn't need us all that much. There is a whole world JDPriestly Jun 2013 #18
They answer to PRC, though. They are as "independent" as Beijing ALLOWS them to be. MADem Jun 2013 #21
If they were limiting this to targetting the PRC, it would be much smaller, JDPriestly Jun 2013 #31
I agree that we have been pennywise and pound foolish regarding our IT hiring. MADem Jun 2013 #45
Being bored in high school is no excuse. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #48
Who will do the divine intervention on Unit 61398, I wonder? MADem Jun 2013 #49
We would be more effective in shutting it down if we were not doing massive JDPriestly Jun 2013 #51
I doubt that. We're pikers compared to them. MADem Jun 2013 #58
And they probably target people like Snowden. They no doubt JDPriestly Jun 2013 #59
Church is still out on that theory, but I wouldn't be shocked if that turned out to be the case. MADem Jun 2013 #60
I agree. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #61
I am not surprised about the metadata, actually. MADem Jun 2013 #62
I understand and appreciate the concern about Chinese hacking of our JDPriestly Jun 2013 #23
Agreed marions ghost Jun 2013 #32
That is a mighty interesting choice of words. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #3
I thought this part especially 'good' azurnoir Jun 2013 #4
That's exactly what our govt. is telling Hong Kong. premium Jun 2013 #6
Rule of law. Rule of law?? This administration talks about the rule of law???... truth2power Jun 2013 #7
The WH appealing to the "rule of law" at this point is laughable. nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #8
The program itself chills our fundamental rights and is therefore JDPriestly Jun 2013 #19
That's pretty much my take as well 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #28
thanks for that marions ghost Jun 2013 #33
What else would you expect? Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #10
"following in the footsteps" dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #24
American values: "We expect" Obama to grant a pardon and curtail spying on citizens. PSPS Jun 2013 #11
Snowden is not the story,. the info. he released is. Civilization2 Jun 2013 #12
Sometimes we don't get what we expect. DeSwiss Jun 2013 #13
"Hong Kong has been a historically good partner of the United States Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #16
+1000, JDPriestly Jun 2013 #20
And they're supposed to be the Good Guys in this equation? MADem Jun 2013 #22
Re: Hong Kong & China want to show ... mallard Jun 2013 #25
Little late. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #26
So they did indeed mallard Jun 2013 #27
Hong Kong and China just shook off that pesky gum stuck to their shoe! MADem Jun 2013 #29
yawn marions ghost Jun 2013 #34
Unit 61398, that's who. nt MADem Jun 2013 #42
Oh gosh marions ghost Jun 2013 #44
You're not coming from a place of understanding. Have a nice day. nt MADem Jun 2013 #46
You have not made a good case for your POV marions ghost Jun 2013 #47
That's your view and you're certainly entitled to it. MADem Jun 2013 #50
The NSA is watching so I guess you're right, I should shut up marions ghost Jun 2013 #52
You might do well to not take online discussions so personally. MADem Jun 2013 #54
OK well I guess since You're sure the NSA doesn't care about me marions ghost Jun 2013 #55
Good move. nt MADem Jun 2013 #56
They aided and abetted his escape. MADem Jun 2013 #39
And THIS is EXACTLY where the US is going if these programs... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #30
China has been down this road since the eighties, when they were stealing and copying MADem Jun 2013 #41
And there's at least some evidence, that "intercepted" trade secrets... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #53
Really? MADem Jun 2013 #57
No I DO NOT believe it should be a free for all. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #63
Well, given that NO one--not them, not us--is going to "stop doing it" this sounds like a free for MADem Jun 2013 #64
You're probably right that it is, was and always will be a free for all. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #65
Well, it's not our problem, really--it's our educational opportunity. MADem Jun 2013 #66
There aren't any good guys. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #37
Really? MADem Jun 2013 #38
White House just got burned! morningfog Jun 2013 #40
That's funny. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #43
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