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RiverNoord

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128. I don't think that, on the whole

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:46 PM

Jun 2013

'we' are the beneficiaries of slavery. Very substantial portions of the South were decimated during the Civil War, and the cost in soldiers and civilians lives was massive. The northern states that managed to avoid much infrastructure damage probably did retain much in the way of benefits of slavery, but, on the balance of things, it's quite debatable.

Of course, if 'we' includes ancestors of slaves, then the balance tips quite markedly against 'us' being beneficiaries of slavery.

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Edward Snowden 'leaves Hong Kong on Moscow flight' [View all] Poll_Blind Jun 2013 OP

He's about to get some really good drugs Cronus Protagonist Jun 2013 #1

Iceland, probably. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #3

Yay we forced him out of Hong Kong. What a brilliant tactic. dkf Jun 2013 #2

I have a good feeling and could care less about Snowden coldbeer Jun 2013 #158

ROFLMAO SoapBox Jun 2013 #4

I bet he lands up in Iceland. dkf Jun 2013 #6

"...Putin's lap dog". Oh, that's bad. He could stay here and perhaps be treated like a real dog... jtuck004 Jun 2013 #14

I hope he likes Volka. gholtron Jun 2013 #18

Yeah, hope he doesn't tell them exactly how we are killing innocent children in Afghanistan while jtuck004 Jun 2013 #24

oh don't worry. gholtron Jun 2013 #27

Any children standing nearby should take cover, based on our success so far. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2013 #37

Because Russia would never do such things eom treestar Jun 2013 #106

Russia, and China are gholtron Jun 2013 #29

We should know, being the keepers of the flame and all, eh? We killed perhaps jtuck004 Jun 2013 #36

Then you should join your hero gholtron Jun 2013 #69

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm? nt. premium Jun 2013 #87

And leave this place to TWWBT? Now what fun would that be? jtuck004 Jun 2013 #95

By we you mean the Spanish or disease? n/t EX500rider Jun 2013 #108

By we I mean the people that benefited from their death, along with things like jtuck004 Jun 2013 #111

I don't think that, on the whole RiverNoord Jun 2013 #128

I expect a thieving pawn shop owner employs the same twisted logic to sell stolen merchandise, jtuck004 Jun 2013 #133

As opposed to ours. premium Jun 2013 #86

Drone death statistics 90-percent Jun 2013 #94

"our anti-terror program is really engineered to create even more terrorism" <- this. +1 n/t jtuck004 Jun 2013 #96

Exactly, the same way the Drug War incentivizes drug production and a lucrative black market. bemildred Jun 2013 #100

Bullshit. They are not intentionally trying to engorge our defense. It's an unintended consequence toby jo Jun 2013 #125

I agree with you in part 90-percent Jun 2013 #141

What if we had simply announced that we were doing the surveillance? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #137

So I guessed you missed this bit... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #116

I wonder if after Russia he will head on over to North Korea Tx4obama Jun 2013 #5

Maybe hes picking up that Superbowl ring and dropping it off here next stop SummerSnow Jun 2013 #10

Our law-breaking intel systems & their leaders in this country.... ReRe Jun 2013 #13

Ahh Home sweet home gholtron Jun 2013 #19

ignorance? Russia is no longer communist. newthinking Jun 2013 #22

Point out where I said Russia is Communist gholtron Jun 2013 #25

Lindsay Graham, Michelle Bachmann or Dick Cheney, is that you? Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #50

Glen Beck. is that you? gholtron Jun 2013 #68

Is that you Mike Rogers? nt. premium Jun 2013 #88

When you used the word "Comrade". TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #102

This ASSHOLE who you call Hero gholtron Jun 2013 #115

Point 1. I have NEVER characterised Mr Snowden as a "hero". TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #131

Edward Snowden is an opportunist and a Fucking traitor. gholtron Jun 2013 #160

He CARRIED. No mention whatsoever of their provenance. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #162

It is clear that he is an opportunist gholtron Jun 2013 #163

I would have more respect for him if he stayed here roomtomove Jun 2013 #171

Yes. That's what happens when steal gholtron Jun 2013 #172

Oh no! He "Stoled multiple computers"?! Nihil Jun 2013 #159

Yeah keep laughing. gholtron Jun 2013 #161

We will dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #164

well guess what? gholtron Jun 2013 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #166

And that should concern me ? dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #167

I wonder who the real asshole is. roomtomove Jun 2013 #170

It's our president who is the traitor- to his promises and his party. alarimer Jun 2013 #150

The collection of Metadata gholtron Jun 2013 #157

I will relay this message for you zx10r_liberal Jun 2013 #109

Да! n/t bitchkitty Jun 2013 #124

You used the term ''commrade'' I think that's justification. YOHABLO Jun 2013 #153

товарищ, then Kolesar Jun 2013 #60

That just means "comrade." PECTOPAH means restaurant--that always made me laugh. nt MADem Jun 2013 #144

So you too must have missed this bit... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #117

Where the hell did he fly to? gholtron Jun 2013 #118

I'm not as stupid as you, no. n/t ljm2002 Jun 2013 #120

Since the KGB was disbanded when the Soviet Union ended, I think you're wrong muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #122

The KGB? What century are you living in? Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #136

of course gholtron Jun 2013 #21

I wonder who the real scumbag is roomtomove Jun 2013 #168

Here's a bit of free advice... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #169

My God....now he's a Russian spy, too! nt Union Scribe Jun 2013 #7

And soon to become "an Icelandic" spy as well. 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #139

An AP link Tx4obama Jun 2013 #8

More from the AP via HuffPo Tx4obama Jun 2013 #9

Hong Kong probably put him on the plane so they wouldn't have to deal with the US. Kablooie Jun 2013 #11

Interesting. He could have taken the ferry to Mainland China. leveymg Jun 2013 #55

Well I'm glad that we won't be starting Fearless Jun 2013 #12

US will do a drone strike on Russia and start WW III. Weird shit happens ... n/t RKP5637 Jun 2013 #71

HKSAR Government issues statement on Edward Snowden Tx4obama Jun 2013 #15

You can tell the magic was gone when they last met..... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #16

Worst Superbowl party ever. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #46

Awful lot of body language going one ... a case study picture to say the RKP5637 Jun 2013 #75

WikiLeaks ‏@wikileaks 2m FLASH: WikiLeaks has assisted Mr. Snowden's political asylum in a democrati Hissyspit Jun 2013 #17

Some of the posts on this thread bitchkitty Jun 2013 #20

It's times like this - Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #34

My grandmother was a lifelong Democrat and she was as racist as they come. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #48

So this means one has to be in favor of Snowden's actions treestar Jun 2013 #107

No. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #110

+1 bk JusticeForAll Jun 2013 #66

@wikileaks 19s FLASH: Mr. Snowden is currently over Russian airspace accompanied by Wiki Hissyspit Jun 2013 #23

going to Cuba ?? steve2470 Jun 2013 #26

Venezuela ? steve2470 Jun 2013 #28

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1m The fact that a person flies to City X Hissyspit Jun 2013 #30

Thank goodness greenwald cleared that up! savalez Jun 2013 #114

Apparently he needed to for some people. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #140

@RT_com 8m UPDATE: #Snowden to take SU150 flight to Havana tomorrow, then flies to Caracas Hissyspit Jun 2013 #31

I wonder how much of this - Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #33

+1, n/t RKP5637 Jun 2013 #76

All of it. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #99

Gives him plenty of time to "brief" his Russian friends. MADem Jun 2013 #39

Wait, I thought it was the Chinese? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #43

He's in Russia now, with his four laptops full of goodies. MADem Jun 2013 #45

Or maybe none of that will happen. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #47

Love does not make the world go round...but quid pro quo certainly does. nt MADem Jun 2013 #49

Bullshit makes the world go round. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #51

Gosh, I missed that particular Happy Days episode...nt MADem Jun 2013 #53

That should not stop you reporting on it. All of your posts in this subthread are made up Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #91

Well, aren't YOU a charmer! That'll fix MY little red wagon, I tell you what! MADem Jun 2013 #143

It's worth it. I love weed Jun 2013 #81

Welcome to DU. Your user name is a bit of a caricature. MADem Jun 2013 #142

His travel is being assisted by a group affiliated with WikiLeaks according to totodeinhere Jun 2013 #97

When do you think the Chinese are going to tell us what Unit 61398 got from US computers, MADem Jun 2013 #138

That has nothing to do with Snowden. Why do you want to change the subject? n/t totodeinhere Jun 2013 #145

It has everything to do with Snowden. MADem Jun 2013 #146

Snowden had nothing to do with the incident you mentioned. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #147

Odds are good he wouldn't have gotten his job had not Unit 61398 not been formed. MADem Jun 2013 #148

Then me and Mick are going to wing on over to London and jam with the 'Stones! Kolesar Jun 2013 #40

Looks like via Iceland Ellipsis Jun 2013 #52

Run, Eddie, run! East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #32

When duz I gut to meet Presnit Kennedy? . .. ... .. . n/t Kolesar Jun 2013 #41

already in Moscow ??? per RT..... steve2470 Jun 2013 #35

Though all the rest of their report agrees with everyone else he's still flying muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #38

Snowden has no Russian visa, it will wait for the flight to Havana at the transit hall "Sheremetyevo steve2470 Jun 2013 #42

"This indicates that Russian law enforcement bodies, most likely will not delay (Snowden)" steve2470 Jun 2013 #44

Is E. Snoudena the third-country? Just kidding. leveymg Jun 2013 #56

yea I saw that too :) nt steve2470 Jun 2013 #57

Just might stick, if he stays in Moscow. leveymg Jun 2013 #58

That article raises Berlin Expat Jun 2013 #59

good points, thanks nt steve2470 Jun 2013 #61

Unless Russia grants him an asylum cosmicone Jun 2013 #90

The Russians could probably find a basis for ignoring an Interpol flag if they totodeinhere Jun 2013 #98

Here's another report. Cleita Jun 2013 #54

"We will continue to discuss this matter with Hong Kong and pursue relevant law enforcement......... steve2470 Jun 2013 #62

waiting for Snowden in Moscow: steve2470 Jun 2013 #63

Snowden in Moscow per airport steve2470 Jun 2013 #64

Snowden's flight from Hong Kong has touched down in Moscow, according to the New York Times.... steve2470 Jun 2013 #65

Washington was trying to extradite Mr Snowden on charges of espionage Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #67

Vans belonging to Russian presidential administration waiting by Aeroflot jets pic.twitter.com/f2THV steve2470 Jun 2013 #70

Ed is no Gerard Depardieu Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #73

RT live video steve2470 Jun 2013 #72

Various tweets are citing Russia's Interfax news agency as saying Snowden was met on the airport.... steve2470 Jun 2013 #74

Interfax: Snowden overnights at Venezuelan embassy. Diplomatic car from plane to embassy............ steve2470 Jun 2013 #78

Wherever he ends up, i wish him nothing but the best. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #77

55 journalists murdered in Russia since 1992 Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #79

What is he supposed to do? I love weed Jun 2013 #83

What he needed to do was pretty simple, Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #85

"What's Maduro going to do if the US decides to cut off Venezuelan oil purchases due to this?" Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #92

That's a joke. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #93

LOL Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #123

Yeah yeah yeah Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #126

You're right Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #132

Yes I read them, Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #135

Ecuador and Venezuela are both small, weak countries Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #155

They'd better build a few more refineries, then. MADem Jun 2013 #149

That's why they call it "crude" Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #154

There's crude, and there's crude....but you surely must know this. MADem Jun 2013 #156

Is this about Obama and his nineteen50 Jun 2013 #80

I'm sure Venezuela will cooperate with the US Government Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #82

The current Venezuelan regime looks like it's on pretty shaky ground. I love weed Jun 2013 #84

Maduro was just elected to a six year term Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #89

No idea why so many are angry with Mr. Snowden. mbperrin Jun 2013 #101

Hmm, he has recourse to a very interesting loophole Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #103

Certainly the case for the whole of the EU. dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #104

There is no death penalty for the charges - which are treestar Jun 2013 #105

Thanks. News is saying espionage, and I looked that up & saw the death penalty applies. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #119

When that is the case, the US government signs an agreement not to seek the death penalty muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #112

Ecuador now looks quite a likely destination: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #113

Ecuador is far superior to Venezuela as a destination. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #121

Ecuador acknowledges receiving a request for asylum from Snowden Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #127

Remember the good ole days when a spy was rarely seen or heard from toby jo Jun 2013 #129

Snowden's final destination may be the Fort Meade stockade jmowreader Jun 2013 #130

China got what they needed from Snowden and wanted him gone. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #134

Such courage.......... Beacool Jun 2013 #151

Good for Him .. he didn't have much choice now did he? YOHABLO Jun 2013 #152