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63. Beg to differ. The USA's "desire" to control is limited...

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:59 AM

Jul 2013

...to that necessary to take control of target resources.

It demonstrates a near complete lack of regard for law WRT to its own actions. It will use it as bludgeon to force others into compliance, but seems perfectly happy to discard it altogether if that fails.

Authoritarian/patrician implies a certain degree of "For your/their own good." That is not the USA's behavior on the world stage. There it's pretty much straight up, X has what it want and does not have the power to stop it being taken.

Internally the US may well be becoming more and more authoritarian, externally, it's a libertarian bully that takes what it wants.

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Snowden, in new statement, accuses Obama of using ‘old, bad tools of political aggression’ [View all] Galraedia Jul 2013 OP

Wah wah. Just enjoy Russia still_one Jul 2013 #1

Illegitimate argument BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #2

Indeed! +1 eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #4

You don't steal classified information and then run off to Hong Kong and Russia Galraedia Jul 2013 #5

Domestic Surveillance BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #27

and BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #28

Are you illiterate? Galraedia Jul 2013 #29

ooooookkkaaay BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #34

Last time I looked there were over 6.5 billion people... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #42

You don't classify illegal actions against the American public and expect it to stay a secret. Forgot10Hiro Jul 2013 #64

The NSA is operating under current law. The criminal here is Snowden. n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #8

Most unConstitutional laws were "current law" until they were judged to be unConstitutional askeptic Jul 2013 #15

For what? There's no motive in the world. wtmusic Jul 2013 #20

So arrest Clapper then BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #35

Re: easier and a lot less time consuming mallard Jul 2013 #47

That's adorable. /nt Ash_F Jul 2013 #44

The NSA was never chartered to run surveillance against American citizens Forgot10Hiro Jul 2013 #65

Exactly Mnpaul Jul 2013 #10

Do you have a link for that? tridim Jul 2013 #52

Sure, I was at the protests that happened 3 days later Mnpaul Jul 2013 #57

He seems surprised. Blandocyte Jul 2013 #3

"I never supported Obama, and now I'm very disappointed that he hasn't met my expectations" struggle4progress Jul 2013 #6

Get back to us when you understand what LIBERTARIAN... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #45

Take two aspirin, drink plenty of fluids, and feel better soon! struggle4progress Jul 2013 #48

What you called libertarianism is actually authoritarianism, or on a larger scale, fascism. Psephos Jul 2013 #61

Beg to differ. The USA's "desire" to control is limited... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #63

Fascism... hmmm like claiming the power to spy on every American without due cause. Forgot10Hiro Jul 2013 #66

In previous statements Snowden admitted that he committed crimes... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #7

D, R or USA. Behaviour of some Snowden detractors... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #46

Fuck off asshole. SoapBox Jul 2013 #9

Russia doesn't want him. Neither did China. savalez Jul 2013 #12

Eddy Weddy Your 15 minutes are Up Wolf Frankula Jul 2013 #11

I have problems with the NSA program. Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #13

cringe-worthy embarrassment in exile uhnope Jul 2013 #14

What don't you understand about illegally revoked U.S. passport? n/t JimDandy Jul 2013 #16

accused felons get passports revoked. nothing illegal about it. as for "exile" uhnope Jul 2013 #18

His passport wasn't illegally revoked...it was revoked in accordance with common practice alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #32

The warrant misidentified Snowden JimDandy Jul 2013 #36

The warrant is a legal warrant in the United States and sufficient for revocation alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #38

TL;DR JimDandy Jul 2013 #67

Is there anyway a person with a revoked passport can get asylum? flamingdem Jul 2013 #37

If all that was required for an offending government to prevent its nationals from applying for alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #39

Of course that's logical but we're dealing with Putin's airport flamingdem Jul 2013 #40

Of course. The U.S. gives Chinese, Russian JimDandy Jul 2013 #55

Saw this response on another site: savalez Jul 2013 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #19

Why, welcome "Zheldon". wtmusic Jul 2013 #21

You're the one with a Snowden Hero avatar. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #41

Ben Franklin wtmusic Jul 2013 #50

I'm in OH OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #53

Thank god people like you stand guard to protect us from questioning authority. n/t Psephos Jul 2013 #62

I mostly sit. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #68

Unlike the others, I applaud the argument and heroism. NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #22

+1 wtmusic Jul 2013 #23

Snowden has a tendency towards authoritarianism... Galraedia Jul 2013 #24

Simplistic for simplistic notions of how the world actually works. n/t NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #58

Yes, since all that "spying" was going on over the years I noticed how oppressed we are. kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #25

Yes, interesting how the surveillance state can only see what it wants to see askeptic Jul 2013 #26

Well put, Kelliekat, thanks appacom Jul 2013 #33

Willing to sell out your privacy for a little security, are you? wtmusic Jul 2013 #49

+1 Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #43

+1 wtmusic Jul 2013 #51

+1 Myrina Jul 2013 #56

No, no, no! These are the NEW, AWESOME tools of political agression! Pterodactyl Jul 2013 #30

Poor deranged thing.. he's calling himself a "whistleblower" 'cause that sounds Cha Jul 2013 #31

Hubris-laden little shit, isn't he? He brought this ALL on himself! MADem Jul 2013 #54

Next, he will try to run to Iran with his knowledge of NSA processes; or Syria; or North Korea. He AlinPA Jul 2013 #59

like that old saying about repeating things enough times ... mallard Jul 2013 #60