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100. It certainly does.

Thu Aug 15, 2013, 08:35 AM

Aug 2013

May I ask if you've ever experienced an NDE? As I said, I do notice a lot of similarities between seizures and NDEs, but I don't believe that makes the spiritual aspect of NDEs any less significant. I like to consider myself to be science oriented as well, and while I've been very interested in NDEs the great bulk of my life, I was always attempting to find materialistic explanations for them until I actually experienced one. It is an absolutely mind-blowing experience, much of it totally beyond words. And there's also the issue of people seeing/knowing things that they wouldn't have been able to know had they been confined to their physical bodies such as Carl Jung's NDE. I can't claim to know for sure what lies on the other side, although for the few weeks after the experience, I was 100% sure. It's faded over time.

http://www.near-death.com/jung.html

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Near-death study: Brains explode with activity as heart stops [View all] IDemo Aug 2013 OP

so mtasselin Aug 2013 #1

Impossible. No heart or brains. All guts and asses. Likely foam at the mouth at the end. Just sayin' freshwest Aug 2013 #22

GOP Brains explode from near thought experiences....nt Evasporque Aug 2013 #57

'near thought experiences' LOL!! freshwest Aug 2013 #61

Ha ha ha! The GOP has brains. Ha ha ha! You crack me up! Kablooie Aug 2013 #82

I thought this had been pretty well assumed already. TwilightGardener Aug 2013 #2

Bad reporting, IMHO. "Physical noise" - is that even a clinical term? closeupready Aug 2013 #3

If a rat dies in the forest ashling Aug 2013 #12

Tyical media dumbing down of science. progressoid Aug 2013 #21

+++ !,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #24

or dumbing down spirituality. Maybe this is just what happens in the body as the soul leaves it. olddad56 Aug 2013 #29

My first thought about this. boguspotus Aug 2013 #34

Some in the media like to play science against spirituality, as though it must be one or the other Hekate Aug 2013 #43

Bravo! didact Aug 2013 #65

I've noticed the same thing, and agree! AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #77

Thank you for summing up my feelings so eloquently. EOTE Aug 2013 #94

LOL snooper2 Aug 2013 #48

What is the soul? Is there such a thing as a personal identity that exists after the physical body hedgehog Aug 2013 #54

When there are no more energy to make your brain work snooper2 Aug 2013 #56

^^^^This!^^^ n/t KatyMan Aug 2013 #60

Glad to see you got it all figured out. didact Aug 2013 #66

Just because you unplug a toaster and it can't "toast" bread anymore woodsprite Aug 2013 #105

Dear Woodsprite- I like the analogy of a car. When we exit a car we don't cease to exist. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #108

I was a drop of water that fell from the sky and I was just that drop until my fall ended gtar100 Aug 2013 #139

I don't believe that we become the bottom of someone's foot after we die. Kablooie Aug 2013 #83

Perhaps when we die we discover we are the eyes of the world. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #109

the term of art we use is "mind stuff". But ALL matter is essentially sunlight.Ponder that KittyWampus Aug 2013 #106

exactly. i agree 1000%. lol. everything can't be explained by science and okieinpain Aug 2013 #63

I think you mean "not everything can be explained by science". EOTE Aug 2013 #95

there are certainly things that science can't explain yet samsingh Aug 2013 #131

I'll go along with everything you say except for using the bible okieinpain Aug 2013 #140

I'm interested in hearing what others who have experienced NDEs have to say about this. EOTE Aug 2013 #92

I've only had OBEs, no NDEs, and they don't compare from what I've read, kentauros Aug 2013 #112

Thanks for the link. EOTE Aug 2013 #149

You've probably delved deeper in it than I have. kentauros Aug 2013 #150

Agreed. Thanks. closeupready Aug 2013 #36

I participated in many codes back in the day I worked critical care Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #39

I have read numerous accounts like this Duer 157099 Aug 2013 #44

The big question,... CanSocDem Aug 2013 #47

Reality has already been scientifically proven to be non-local. If we posit Consciousness as the KittyWampus Aug 2013 #110

It may be a little early in the day... CanSocDem Aug 2013 #114

has anyone tested this explosive brain activity in humans? Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #71

From the abstract: Duer 157099 Aug 2013 #72

That's "out of body" -- my mom experienced that; my dad had the full NDE Hekate Aug 2013 #59

I am so glad she came back for you. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #64

Me too. Hekate Aug 2013 #67

I worked ICU back 840high Aug 2013 #81

Carl Jung's NDE is a particularly interesting read. EOTE Aug 2013 #96

Depends on if you view your brain as part of your body I guess. Neoma Aug 2013 #147

It's better to burn out, than to fade away. Socal31 Aug 2013 #4

Out of the blue and into the black. WheelWalker Aug 2013 #8

interesting...i had a cardiac arrest in febuary madrchsod Aug 2013 #5

Sounds like you experienced competent life support Half-Century Man Aug 2013 #6

So it sounds like your arrest was overturned on appeal. ;-) eggplant Aug 2013 #28

How else could we experience the spiritual except through the senses of our bodies & minds? Hekate Aug 2013 #7

Very sensible question. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #30

killing animals just to speculate MFM008 Aug 2013 #31

It seems somehow wrong, doesn't it? The Stranger Aug 2013 #45

Don't feel bad. I like Ratties and had some as Pets....they go here >> BlueJazz Aug 2013 #37

Anybody have some popcorn? GoneOffShore Aug 2013 #9

Sounds like Jesus isn't magic. Someone should tell Sarah Silverman. nt valerief Aug 2013 #10

Sarah doesn't believe Jesus is magic... TeeYiYi Aug 2013 #18

You must be the life of the party. valerief Aug 2013 #19

Well, you must be basic reading comprehension challenged... TeeYiYi Aug 2013 #20

Where I live, Jesus is magic. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2013 #35

Before someone says this proves... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #11

gee... nebenaube Aug 2013 #14

also experienced at high g force mopinko Aug 2013 #15

I used to suffer from seizures... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #23

If it did prove such a thing, it would prove that RATS have an afterlife. FiveGoodMen Aug 2013 #62

speaking from experience, it indeed does loyalsister Aug 2013 #80

It indeed does what? EOTE Aug 2013 #98

Electricity indeed goes haywire loyalsister Aug 2013 #99

It certainly does. EOTE Aug 2013 #100

No loyalsister Aug 2013 #104

I believe there's some kind of relation between what happens to one's brain during seizures and this EOTE Aug 2013 #97

Scientific Simulation Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #13

It's a cylon download Xipe Totec Aug 2013 #16

What the rats saw right before death ... Arugula Latte Aug 2013 #17

But that would be BAT, not a RAT. Coming to swoop them away to Fur Baby Heaven. freshwest Aug 2013 #25

You don't know what it is really like unless you really experience it. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #26

Oh, I've had my chances. It's all so messy. Just call me Wheeze, Eek or Squeak! freshwest Aug 2013 #32

I agree Kelliekat44. there are those that experience them and those who haven't. roguevalley Aug 2013 #40

Idied 3 times, and had to be resusitated does that count hollysmom Aug 2013 #51

Or maybe something like this..... LongTomH Aug 2013 #38

I was just about to find a pic of the Death of Rats to post, but yours is great Hekate Aug 2013 #41

No, I just did a quick Google image search for "Death of Rats Discworld" LongTomH Aug 2013 #46

They did a similar experiment on white mice years ago. johnp3907 Aug 2013 #27

Somehow, this makes me sad. It reminds me of this. rug Aug 2013 #33

Thanks for this. Squinch Aug 2013 #101

Or This KinMd Aug 2013 #42

Why is it so important for some people to prove that religion is a big scam? leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #49

+ Infinity Octafish Aug 2013 #50

I have always wondered why it is so important for people to try and prove NDE's djean111 Aug 2013 #52

Why is it important to expose any big scam? Duer 157099 Aug 2013 #53

You don't know that it is a scam. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #55

How do I know it is a scam? Duer 157099 Aug 2013 #70

But you grew up in a culture that came with a moral code. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #73

You sort of make my point in a way Duer 157099 Aug 2013 #79

Don't ask Aristotle nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #85

I work with animals all day long. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #91

But do they have a moral compass? Duer 157099 Aug 2013 #128

Why I said don't ask Aristotle nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #129

And guilt too Duer 157099 Aug 2013 #130

I think that originally moral codes were a cultural necessity. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #87

Are they no longer a cultural necessity? n/t LTX Aug 2013 #120

I know I am about to step in it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #84

But religion had to have been an important adaptive thing leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #88

The point is that today it is quite mal adaptive nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #121

You have every right to think what you think. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #123

"Religion provides the moral code that makes society work." I am not so sure of that. yellowcanine Aug 2013 #115

Religion isn't necessary any more. Not for morality, anyway. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #116

Anyone who bases their moral code just on religious belief probably isn't going to keep it. yellowcanine Aug 2013 #119

You don't have to have religion to do that. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #122

The young in the US are abandoning the churches nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #124

I'm not arguing with you. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #133

But you do not need religion to chose the light or the darkness nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #137

I don't disagree. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #141

Will check them out nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #143

No but it does seem that the preachers braying the most about this or that sin are hiding the most. yellowcanine Aug 2013 #144

I just don't pay any attention to all that stuff. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #145

I know a lot of people who just really want to go to heaven. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #136

same reason the "Jesus can't be real" folks keep citing the same sources Jack Chick uses MisterP Aug 2013 #58

There's a lot of evidence that Jesus did exist. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #69

Because so many scams have been facilitated by appealing to religion? yellowcanine Aug 2013 #76

Many scams have been facilitated by appealing to greed. That doesn't mean that money doesn't exist. Squinch Aug 2013 #102

Problem is many people including me were bombarded with scary hell fire stories as children yellowcanine Aug 2013 #111

But scary hell fire stories told to children are very different from the conversation going on here. Squinch Aug 2013 #113

I give credence to near death stories but they prove nothing about life after death. yellowcanine Aug 2013 #117

I guess you have the answers then, about who is right and who is wrong in this discussion. Squinch Aug 2013 #118

Let me throw this in nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #125

"The religious fear mongers use these near death stories as a means of controlling people." djean111 Aug 2013 #127

Why is it so important for so many religious people to subject others to their religion, "prayers," Arugula Latte Aug 2013 #78

Insecurity? leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #90

I think we are talking about two different things here: one is following a prescribed religion and Squinch Aug 2013 #103

They are scientists. They probably aren't out to prove religion is a big scam. Hosnon Aug 2013 #148

so the poor rats must have been fully conscious when they ripped out their hearts? :( Sunlei Aug 2013 #68

Yea. That's awful. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #74

and speaking of souls.. G_j Aug 2013 #86

Some of those experiments on animals are just so awful leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #89

They did not rip anything out nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #126

So we can take from this that the rats are probably experiencing rat heaven? yellowcanine Aug 2013 #75

Mulholland Drive - 2001. randome Aug 2013 #93

This makes me a little uneasy. reflection Aug 2013 #107

I read that Steve Jobs last words were: leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #134

Well that's definitely encouraging. reflection Aug 2013 #138

One can only hope. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #142

this could also imply that the lit brain is more perceptive samsingh Aug 2013 #132

Our whole existence may just be an illusion. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #135

Le petit mort Trillo Aug 2013 #146

The brain is what the brain does. longship Aug 2013 #151