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27. Actually, that is a different issue.

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 12:53 PM

Aug 2013

But I think you and I agree on this. The institutions and laws of the country must outlast the person or persons elected. So, in other words, the elected leader cannot do away with voting and become an autocrat -- at least, that would not be democracy.

But here is the other problem. For the institutions and laws of the country to outlast the person or persons elected, they are supposed to be able to serve out their term, the term for which they were democratically elected.

That wasn't done here.

The only way to establish the institutions is by having elections. Eventually, the hope is, the institutions will be respected and take root. Then people will stop voting for their own religious group and look to the qualities of how the person elected actually served the people and the country.

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Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood calls for 'day of rage' [View all] dipsydoodle Aug 2013 OP

We're mad at the government, so let's kill some Coptic Christians and burn their churches! MADem Aug 2013 #1

They just wont end the cycle of violence. jessie04 Aug 2013 #2

"Cycle of violence?" another_liberal Aug 2013 #4

Do you want the Muslim Brotherhood to also have American heavy weapons and vehicles? branford Aug 2013 #8

You're quick to talk about "democratic" but the fact is that the Muslim Brotherhood candidate was The Stranger Aug 2013 #15

It's like when the Gazans voted leftynyc Aug 2013 #19

Wait a minute. You're illustrating the problem. The Stranger Aug 2013 #26

That's laughable leftynyc Aug 2013 #28

NOW you are beginning to grasp the dilemma. The Stranger Aug 2013 #42

You're making a ridiculous argument leftynyc Aug 2013 #43

The Weimar republic did have legitimate elections and the election of November 1932... JVS Aug 2013 #51

Interesting. The Stranger Aug 2013 #100

You are the person John2 Aug 2013 #62

Actually, I think you and I agree, for the most part. The Stranger Aug 2013 #99

You can't be said to meaningfully support elections if you would have their results ignored. JVS Aug 2013 #52

Nobody is talking about ignoring results leftynyc Aug 2013 #82

How many times must you be told before you stop spreading this fertilizer? azurnoir Aug 2013 #50

Deceptive, at best. branford Aug 2013 #60

so you must also believe that the GOP rules the US? azurnoir Aug 2013 #61

The last I checked, the Republicans consistently engage in elections; win some and lose some. branford Aug 2013 #63

the Republican does not hold the leadership position in the US azurnoir Aug 2013 #65

What??? I think you need to have a chat with Speaker of the House John Boehner. branford Aug 2013 #66

oh the other boot has dropped azurnoir Aug 2013 #76

Anything is possible, I'm just waiting for any new election in the territories. branford Aug 2013 #78

Have you read this Vanity Fair article? oberliner Aug 2013 #81

read it long ago azurnoir Aug 2013 #86

Glad to hear you think its BS oberliner Aug 2013 #87

I didn't say that did I ? azurnoir Aug 2013 #88

I thought it might change your mind oberliner Aug 2013 #90

as I just said regardless of the circumstances there was a Hamas coup azurnoir Aug 2013 #91

What are you talking about? oberliner Aug 2013 #92

lol nice try but you give it away in one statement azurnoir Aug 2013 #93

These are undisputed facts oberliner Aug 2013 #97

if Haniyeh had been the sole leader of the Palestinians Abbas would not have been able to unseat him azurnoir Aug 2013 #98

How many times are you leftynyc Aug 2013 #83

no twisting involved on my part just simple history, facts, stuff like that :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #85

I beg to differ. As I see it, there are two primary issues: branford Aug 2013 #20

Well siad! tazzersgoldenangel Aug 2013 #23

Actually, that is a different issue. The Stranger Aug 2013 #27

Egypt, and much of the middle east and arab world, has little experience with democratic government. branford Aug 2013 #34

Presumably, there would be something other than the presidency. Morsi was only one person The Stranger Aug 2013 #41

Unfortunately, the only checks and balances that Egypt currently has is the military. branford Aug 2013 #44

Why were they having an election for office when there was no office yet established? The Stranger Aug 2013 #47

Exactly . . . branford Aug 2013 #48

Morsi was removed by a popular uprising PSPS Aug 2013 #77

"the military which, by virtue of its unique role in their society, reflects the will of the people" JVS Aug 2013 #79

But you have to understand that you have set a dangerous precedent. The Stranger Aug 2013 #101

And as soon as he was elected, his group began tabasco Aug 2013 #96

agree PaulKersey Aug 2013 #22

Anyone who can support . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #25

The generals who staged this coup should be arrested and tried for mass murder. another_liberal Aug 2013 #33

And everyone will join hands under the many rainbows while they pet the unicorns. branford Aug 2013 #38

Your flippancy is completely out of place . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #69

My purported "flippancy" aside, how would you address the other points in comment? branford Aug 2013 #71

Equating the generals crimes . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #74

Hold on! branford Aug 2013 #75

Reject all you want. another_liberal Aug 2013 #80

It is interesting to note . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #3

Its also interesting to note dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #7

I was waiting for this observation. Igel Aug 2013 #13

Do you have a point? another_liberal Aug 2013 #24

BBC live text here dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #5

Several reports have quoted family members of those killed . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #6

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Jury To The Contrary, Sir, That Post Is Flat Bigotry, And You Know It as Well As I Do The Magistrate Aug 2013 #10

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like Meta, jury is another failed experiment. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #45

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Flat Bigotry, Sir: You Know It, And I Know It The Magistrate Aug 2013 #46

You are way out of line, my friend. another_liberal Aug 2013 #29

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So I've read your post and your complaint and... Xyzse Aug 2013 #49

I think back to 2011, where they said "we are not seeking power" bhikkhu Aug 2013 #11

There is a reason why so many Egyptians are backing the military over the MB. n/t branford Aug 2013 #21

If there are so many of them . . .? another_liberal Aug 2013 #30

The election was close. That and the MB's poor leadership help explain the current near civil war. branford Aug 2013 #31

Maybe so . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #32

I therefore assume that you supported Bush '41 and '43, and most certainly, Ronald Reagan! branford Aug 2013 #40

Nonsense! another_liberal Aug 2013 #67

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This message was self-deleted by its author cosmicone Aug 2013 #54

the opposition sabbat hunter Aug 2013 #53

Yes, quite true. another_liberal Aug 2013 #68

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Thanks for the clarification. another_liberal Aug 2013 #35

Why can't the radical Islamic groups react with cosmicone Aug 2013 #55

They'd already tried that. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #56

Violence is the nature of radical Islamist theocrats. branford Aug 2013 #59

Maybe they should throw flowers at the soldiers massacring them by the hundreds? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #94

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