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In reply to the discussion: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood calls for 'day of rage' [View all]azurnoir
(45,850 posts)50. How many times must you be told before you stop spreading this fertilizer?
the people of Gaza did not vote Hamas in as their rulers Hamas took over Gaza via a coup just the same as Egyptian army is taking over Egypt via a coup.
The pro-Fatah view is, that the battle was a plain military coup by Hamas. The pro-Hamas view is, that the US drew up a plan to arm Fatah cadres with the aim of forcefully removing Hamas from power in Gaza. According to the pro-Hamas view, Fatah fighters, led by strongman Mohammed Dahlan with logistical support from the US Central Intelligence Agency, were planning to carry out a bloody coup against Hamas.[22] Then, Hamas pre-emptively took control over Gaza.
In an April 2008 article in Vanity Fair magazine, the journalist David Rose published confidential documents, apparently originating from the US State Department, which would prove that the United States collaborated with the Palestinian Authority and Israel to attempt the violent overthrow of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, and that Hamas pre-empted the coup. The documents suggest that a government with Hamas should meet the demands of the Middle East Quartet, otherwise President Mahmoud Abbas should declare a state of emergency, which effectively would dissolve of the current unity government or the government should collapse by other means.[23][24] Rose quotes former Vice President Dick Cheneys chief Middle East adviser David Wurmser, accusing the Bush administration of engaging in a dirty war in an effort to provide a corrupt dictatorship [led by Abbas] with victory. He believes that Hamas had no intention of taking Gaza until Fatah forced its hand. It looks to me that what happened wasnt so much a coup by Hamas but an attempted coup by Fatah that was pre-empted before it could happen[24]
In an April 2008 article in Vanity Fair magazine, the journalist David Rose published confidential documents, apparently originating from the US State Department, which would prove that the United States collaborated with the Palestinian Authority and Israel to attempt the violent overthrow of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, and that Hamas pre-empted the coup. The documents suggest that a government with Hamas should meet the demands of the Middle East Quartet, otherwise President Mahmoud Abbas should declare a state of emergency, which effectively would dissolve of the current unity government or the government should collapse by other means.[23][24] Rose quotes former Vice President Dick Cheneys chief Middle East adviser David Wurmser, accusing the Bush administration of engaging in a dirty war in an effort to provide a corrupt dictatorship [led by Abbas] with victory. He believes that Hamas had no intention of taking Gaza until Fatah forced its hand. It looks to me that what happened wasnt so much a coup by Hamas but an attempted coup by Fatah that was pre-empted before it could happen[24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_%282007%29
I find the down the memory hole tactics engaged in by some here to be an almost deliberate insult to the intelligence of readers
More over your contention that the people of Gaza voted in Hamas as their leaders is roughly equivelent to saying that the US voted the Rublicans in as our leader because they have a majority in the House, when indeed our Leader is a member of the Democratic party
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We're mad at the government, so let's kill some Coptic Christians and burn their churches!
MADem
Aug 2013
#1
Do you want the Muslim Brotherhood to also have American heavy weapons and vehicles?
branford
Aug 2013
#8
You're quick to talk about "democratic" but the fact is that the Muslim Brotherhood candidate was
The Stranger
Aug 2013
#15
The Weimar republic did have legitimate elections and the election of November 1932...
JVS
Aug 2013
#51
You can't be said to meaningfully support elections if you would have their results ignored.
JVS
Aug 2013
#52
The last I checked, the Republicans consistently engage in elections; win some and lose some.
branford
Aug 2013
#63
What??? I think you need to have a chat with Speaker of the House John Boehner.
branford
Aug 2013
#66
Anything is possible, I'm just waiting for any new election in the territories.
branford
Aug 2013
#78
if Haniyeh had been the sole leader of the Palestinians Abbas would not have been able to unseat him
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#98
no twisting involved on my part just simple history, facts, stuff like that :)
azurnoir
Aug 2013
#85
Egypt, and much of the middle east and arab world, has little experience with democratic government.
branford
Aug 2013
#34
Presumably, there would be something other than the presidency. Morsi was only one person
The Stranger
Aug 2013
#41
Unfortunately, the only checks and balances that Egypt currently has is the military.
branford
Aug 2013
#44
Why were they having an election for office when there was no office yet established?
The Stranger
Aug 2013
#47
"the military which, by virtue of its unique role in their society, reflects the will of the people"
JVS
Aug 2013
#79
The generals who staged this coup should be arrested and tried for mass murder.
another_liberal
Aug 2013
#33
And everyone will join hands under the many rainbows while they pet the unicorns.
branford
Aug 2013
#38
My purported "flippancy" aside, how would you address the other points in comment?
branford
Aug 2013
#71
Jury To The Contrary, Sir, That Post Is Flat Bigotry, And You Know It as Well As I Do
The Magistrate
Aug 2013
#10
There is a reason why so many Egyptians are backing the military over the MB. n/t
branford
Aug 2013
#21
The election was close. That and the MB's poor leadership help explain the current near civil war.
branford
Aug 2013
#31
I therefore assume that you supported Bush '41 and '43, and most certainly, Ronald Reagan!
branford
Aug 2013
#40
If you believe my comments are inappropriate, feel free to report me! Good luck with that.
branford
Aug 2013
#70
Maybe they should throw flowers at the soldiers massacring them by the hundreds?
Comrade Grumpy
Aug 2013
#94