Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

spin

(17,493 posts)
53. It was first called global warming. ...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:19 AM
Sep 2013

but many global warming rallies occurred in record cold temperatures and consequently were ridiculed even by the media.

Climate change is a far better term as it can be used to describe any unusual weather event such as a colder than usual winter or an extremely warm summer. A rash of tornadoes or a hurricane season with a large number of strong hurricanes can be attributed to climate change.

History proves that our climate is always changing. At one time the Sahara Desert was a great place to live.

Sahara Desert Was Once Lush and Populated
Bjorn Carey | July 20, 2006 10:07am ET

At the end of the last Ice Age, the Sahara Desert was just as dry and uninviting as it is today. But sandwiched between two periods of extreme dryness were a few millennia of plentiful rainfall and lush vegetation.

During these few thousand years, prehistoric humans left the congested Nile Valley and established settlements around rain pools, green valleys, and rivers.

The ancient climate shift and its effects are detailed in the July 21 issue of the journal Science.
http://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html


Both the American Revolution and the French Revolution occurred during a "Little Ice Age."



The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period (Medieval Climate Optimum).[1] While it was not a true ice age, the term was introduced into the scientific literature by François E. Matthes in 1939.[2] It has been conventionally defined as a period extending from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries,[3][4][5] or alternatively, from about 1350 to about 1850,[6] though climatologists and historians working with local records no longer expect to agree on either the start or end dates of this period, which varied according to local conditions. NASA defines the term as a cold period between AD 1550 and AD 1850 and notes three particularly cold intervals: one beginning about 1650, another about 1770, and the last in 1850, each separated by intervals of slight warming.[7] The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report considered the timing and areas affected by the LIA suggested largely independent regional climate changes, rather than a globally synchronous increased glaciation. At most there was modest cooling of the Northern Hemisphere during the period.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age


It's hard to attribute such climate changes to pollution caused by mankind. Even before we evolved our earth had many climate changes.

Snowball Earth

The snowball Earth hypothesis posits that the Earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen at least once, some time earlier than 650 Ma (million years ago). Proponents of the hypothesis argue that it best explains sedimentary deposits generally regarded as of glacial origin at tropical paleolatitudes, and other otherwise enigmatic features in the geological record. Opponents of the hypothesis contest the implications of the geological evidence for global glaciation, the geophysical feasibility of an ice- or slush-covered ocean,[2][3] and the difficulty of escaping an all-frozen condition. There are a number of unanswered questions, including whether the Earth was a full snowball, or a "slushball" with a thin equatorial band of open (or seasonally open) water.
The geological time frames under consideration come before the sudden multiplication of life forms on Earth known as the Cambrian explosion, and the most recent snowball episode may have triggered the evolution of multi-cellular life on Earth. Another, much earlier and longer, snowball episode, the Huronian glaciation, which occurred 2400 to 2100 Ma may have been triggered by the oxygen catastrophe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth


Realize that I am not denying that the enormous amount of pollution our civilization is throwing into our atmosphere might be causing some significant changes in our climate. Even if it isn't, it still causes significant health problems to those exposed to it. I was born in Pittsburgh Pa and my mother often told me that while she lived there she would have to often wash her window curtains as they had turned black from the soot from the steel mills. There were times long ago when the street lights were turned on at noon time because the pollution blocked out the sun.

Pittsburgh

The air in this steel town was once so polluted with coal and coke soot that streetlights were sometimes turned on at high noon. Now, much of Pittsburgh's pollution comes from Ohio, West Virginia and further west, according to Neil Donahue, who studies transport pollution at Carnegie Mellon University.


I grew up in a industrial town in northeastern Ohio. The fumes from the factories were so strong that it ate paint off the cars of the plant workers in the parking lots.

Therefore I am a strong supporter of efforts to find more environmentally friendly means to power our industry than fossil fuels. There are a lot of viable alternatives that are being developed today but unfortunately it may be impossible to greatly reduce our dependence on fossil fuels for another 20 to 30 years. All efforts to find better solutions should be financed and supported and if developed the technology should be shared with the world with little emphasis on financial profit.

What I fear is that the backers of "global warming" or "climate change" are developing a religion. While this approach does garner considerable support for the movement to reduce pollution and the consequent damage to our environment, it may hinder good science. Intermixing politics and science is a poor idea just as intermixing science with religion.

The bottom line is I feel that we both agree that our dependence on fossil fuels has to change. No matter how you look at it pollution has a negative effort on our environment. Our technology is advancing to the point that we can leave this addition behind and find a cheaper and far more efficient method of generating power that will be far healthier both to us and our planet.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

So I guess the CO2 has quit building up in the atmosphere?? kestrel91316 Sep 2013 #1
I think the real issue is OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2013 #8
There are a number of proposals for temporary reprieves. Igel Sep 2013 #9
given that last year was the lowest ice extent on record stupidicus Sep 2013 #12
SO the report is wrong about the volume of the ice . . . DeltaLitProf Sep 2013 #61
the devil is always in the details stupidicus Sep 2013 #72
Rush Limbaugh billh58 Sep 2013 #22
It's called climate change for a reason. truthisfreedom Sep 2013 #2
It's been unusually humid and hot here in San Diego County itsrobert Sep 2013 #7
Same for Los Angeles Iliyah Sep 2013 #28
It was first called global warming. ... spin Sep 2013 #53
"spin" is right truebluegreen Mar 2016 #78
Yep, right-wing spin. OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2013 #56
Ironic since Luntz was probably the one who helped demonize the word "environmentalist!" Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #68
I hear he has since reversed his opposition. OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2013 #71
That's right. hamsterjill Sep 2013 #58
This isn't really breaking news Sanddog42 Sep 2013 #3
OMG! Can't you just HEAR the BS now! Plucketeer Sep 2013 #4
Gotta love watching the press try to report on anything complex. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #5
Don't believe it. Richard D Sep 2013 #6
The possibility is certainly there madville Sep 2013 #10
It's the Telegraph. Hissyspit Sep 2013 #14
There haven't been any Atlantic hurricanes at all so far this year starroute Sep 2013 #23
It's all give and take madville Sep 2013 #26
the link below might enlighten you, CRH Sep 2013 #49
Climate Change is the proper term to use.. snooper2 Sep 2013 #55
It's freaking strange weather indeed nolabels Sep 2013 #70
You are indulging in wishful thinking. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #30
Well, when I was in school in the early 70s the talk WAS about cooling! 7962 Sep 2013 #32
Yeah, and was wrong Hissyspit Sep 2013 #33
Not by scientists caraher Sep 2013 #40
No. It isn't. truebluegreen Mar 2016 #79
one year of cooling in 4 decades and this is a trend? wordpix Sep 2013 #11
Possibly sakabatou Sep 2013 #13
not so fast ... padruig Sep 2013 #15
It's true. I had to chisel out to my car from the glaciers that came in overnight. Liberal Veteran Sep 2013 #16
Oh Thank God! People on the coastline rejoice! Rain Mcloud Sep 2013 #17
Heard a discussion about this just the other day momrois Sep 2013 #18
Professor Anastasios Tsonis has a history of saying the same thing for Mr. Sparkle Sep 2013 #19
cause most of you sheeple are stuck on 'global warming' pasto76 Sep 2013 #20
Global climate change Delphinus Sep 2013 #44
rather than the petulance of "sheeple" when LanternWaste Sep 2013 #57
Now, for a word from our Sponsor. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #21
Ahem.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #24
Last Year Was The Hottest Year On Record In North America, Perhaps The Globe DallasNE Sep 2013 #25
It's the Torygraph Warpy Sep 2013 #27
A junk report in the Telegraph to distort the actual scientific understanding of climate trends. cheapdate Sep 2013 #29
This is the sort of vile propaganda that prevents us from saving ourselves. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #31
I call bullshit. This article is pure fucking lies. n/t backscatter712 Sep 2013 #34
It's The Telegraph. Right-wing crap. Hissyspit Sep 2013 #39
Your bullshit meter is functioning perfectly!!!!! Theyletmeeatcake2 Sep 2013 #48
I call bullshit on your bullshit call! GalaxyHunter Sep 2013 #62
Think of the earth's warming like this: Rstrstx Sep 2013 #35
Volume is key, not extent. joshcryer Sep 2013 #36
how THICK is the ice? iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #37
The last major case of globle warming was the Permian extinxtion, it took almost 100,000 Years. BillyRibs Sep 2013 #38
Actually it was the Eocene Thermal Maximum NickB79 Sep 2013 #63
Prof. Anastasios Tsonis frequently advocates for the fossil fuel industry Kolesar Sep 2013 #41
The ice increase is all in the southern pole, because it is winter there n2doc Sep 2013 #42
But the picture shows the north; around Greenland and Russia 7962 Sep 2013 #45
They are trying to confuse the reader, then n2doc Sep 2013 #46
you've been denying or downplaying global warming and at times discouraging serious discussion of it CreekDog Mar 2016 #75
Wow, you go back 3 years to find a post? Got a slow day? 7962 Mar 2016 #80
This is likely just newspaper publishers too dumb to understand what scientists are trying to say. Ash_F Sep 2013 #43
Check the source... Theyletmeeatcake2 Sep 2013 #47
When I posted a similar article in GD, it was locked by the host Cyberswede, Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #50
As the Titanic was sinking, it reversed and popped back up. The people in the lifeboats cheered... Towlie Sep 2013 #51
Yeah, right...... blackspade Sep 2013 #52
Just watch this. Richard D Sep 2013 #54
Something almost no one talks about is SheilaT Sep 2013 #59
a special place in the hell that we're creating SansACause Sep 2013 #60
Have you heard the ole definition of a statistician? skip fox Sep 2013 #64
Gimme a break. This is laughable. nt emmadoggy Sep 2013 #65
Physics 101 Eljo_Don Sep 2013 #66
I'm filing this one next to the "Intelligent Design Theory". retread Sep 2013 #67
the global warming pause button Agony Sep 2013 #69
Exactly. Global warming hasn't stopped at all NickB79 Sep 2013 #73
It's climate change or climate extremes, not global warming. DeSwiss Sep 2013 #74
MODs please remove this RW propaganda article from 2013 from LBN Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #76
Scientists claim the Earth is flat. Binkie The Clown Mar 2016 #77
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Global warming? No, actua...»Reply #53