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80. Well, we now have another contender for stupidest question of the thread.

Fri Sep 13, 2013, 04:51 PM

Sep 2013

But I'll answer. Yes, I would. Given how difficult it is to get parole and the level of supervision during parole, I'd have no qualms whatsoever.

It is exceedingly foolish to make decisions on policy, crime and punishment based on personal opinions.

I'll demonstrate. Would you be so fervent in advocating military strikes on Syria if you had a family with small children living in Damascus?

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Teen convicted of killing baby gets life in prison [View all] Bosonic Sep 2013 OP

Went to court quick. /nt Ash_F Sep 2013 #1

Good, this POS baby killer should never see a day of freedom again. wild bird Sep 2013 #2

Hopefully he will live a life of hell in prison and wish he were dead. RebelOne Sep 2013 #4

Ok this is against what the Supremes said Scairp Sep 2013 #72

Un no. wild bird Sep 2013 #77

That decision concerned the age when the crime was commited, but the key word is 'mandatory'. PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #132

You're right, wild bird Sep 2013 #138

Yes but they came close to it Scairp Sep 2013 #189

Not exactly. The SC decision prohibited _mandatory_ life without parole as a sentence. PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #136

Yes, good. Owl Sep 2013 #190

That's a good thing, although I doubt he'll last long. bluesbassman Sep 2013 #3

life WITH possibility of parole would have sufficed. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #5

And in 30, 40, 50 years YarnAddict Sep 2013 #6

you can't undo any crime maxsolomon Sep 2013 #11

What mitigating circumstance? LisaL Sep 2013 #7

i just said: the murderer was 17. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #10

He thought about it for several minutes, He threatened to shoot the baby geek tragedy Sep 2013 #30

I don't KNOW that this kid is "beyond redemption". You BELIEVE that. The court JUDGED that. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #75

70 year olds can pull a trigger just as well as 18 year olds. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #76

Then why don't 70-year olds pull a trigger as often at 18 year olds? maxsolomon Sep 2013 #90

the state sentenced him to life in prison because geek tragedy Sep 2013 #91

And, on top of the life w/o parole, wild bird Sep 2013 #96

because being a minor is a MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCE maxsolomon Sep 2013 #98

The rule is the state shall not kill, not that the state geek tragedy Sep 2013 #102

I think people sentenced might differ with your opinion in many cases. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #137

He probably will not christx30 Sep 2013 #82

this is an academic point that i'm trying to make, apparently maxsolomon Sep 2013 #87

What would we gain by christx30 Sep 2013 #94

"People in that culture" "They choose to act that way" maxsolomon Sep 2013 #97

Twenty minutes of tapping out that christx30 Sep 2013 #106

I believe the point he was making is that tblue37 Sep 2013 #161

So what's the alternative? christx30 Sep 2013 #184

We used to send 17-yr olds off to fight in WWII NickB79 Sep 2013 #185

Hmmm, yeah, no thanks. Daniel537 Sep 2013 #162

Way too harsh for felony murder. rug Sep 2013 #8

What on Earth are you talking about? LisaL Sep 2013 #9

It was a homicide that occurred during the commission of a felony. rug Sep 2013 #13

And that makes it better in your mind? LisaL Sep 2013 #14

No, it makes it felony murder. rug Sep 2013 #15

Yes. Much better. LisaL Sep 2013 #16

Why? rug Sep 2013 #17

Because I don't think he should ever be out on the streets again. LisaL Sep 2013 #18

Because this POS has no soul, no concious, and no remorse. wild bird Sep 2013 #34

Oh, bullshit,"no soul". rug Sep 2013 #35

Blah Blah Blah, save it for someone who cares. wild bird Sep 2013 #38

You can stand on a table and juggle your statement, for all the meaning it has. rug Sep 2013 #40

Actually, you're right, he's not a piece of shit, wild bird Sep 2013 #44

Let me ask you this, wild bird Sep 2013 #69

What a stupid fucking question. rug Sep 2013 #70

Okay, would you be willing to consider parole for him if a condition of that parole geek tragedy Sep 2013 #74

Well, we now have another contender for stupidest question of the thread. rug Sep 2013 #80

Your question has a false premise nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #88

Uh-huh. rug Sep 2013 #115

Wild Bird has billh58 Sep 2013 #191

I hope he donated the thousand dollars before left. rug Sep 2013 #192

More likely that billh58 Sep 2013 #193

Thanks for the info. I thought there was something off. rug Sep 2013 #194

I have pretty good evidence he will never kill again on the outside, since he will be in jail Travis_0004 Sep 2013 #140

What evidence do you have that he wants to kill again in the next 60 years? rug Sep 2013 #141

Some people are beyond rehabilitation. Travis_0004 Sep 2013 #142

Yeah but you may not know that for decades. rug Sep 2013 #143

Does that somehow lessen the severity of the homicide in your mind? tabasco Sep 2013 #73

Do you know anything about the degrees of criminal liability? rug Sep 2013 #78

For a crime as heinous as this, wild bird Sep 2013 #89

At age 18. rug Sep 2013 #114

See, here's the misunderstanding, wild bird Sep 2013 #116

I don't imsunderstand that at all. rug Sep 2013 #117

And I'm trying to figure out why you think this scum deserves any empathy at all. wild bird Sep 2013 #120

It's not a matter of empathy. It's a matter of dealing with a human being, not inanimate scum. rug Sep 2013 #122

All fine and dandy if we were dealing with a human being, wild bird Sep 2013 #126

There it is. You, in your omnipotence, declare him nonhuman. rug Sep 2013 #127

No, he declared himself non human when he cold bloodedly shot that innocent baby wild bird Sep 2013 #131

Bullshit. He murdered a baby. You declared him nonhuman. rug Sep 2013 #134

Sorry, not going to fly. nt. wild bird Sep 2013 #135

and it wasn't as if he was aiming at something else and shot the baby by accident JI7 Sep 2013 #20

There was malice wercal Sep 2013 #24

It's not felony murder, it's murder murder. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #25

If killing the baby was a separate act, then you're right it would not be felony murder. rug Sep 2013 #37

I'll save my sympathies for the family of that little boy that this POS cold bloodedly murdered, wild bird Sep 2013 #39

Don't tell me. You also think the U.S. should attack Syria. rug Sep 2013 #41

WTF? What does this have to do with Syria? Trying to deflect? wild bird Sep 2013 #42

I'm glad you overcame your cavalier disregard for human life on one issue. rug Sep 2013 #43

I oppose bombing and killing innocent men, women and children. wild bird Sep 2013 #45

So, you prefer to execute him? rug Sep 2013 #46

Didn't read the whole thread did you? wild bird Sep 2013 #54

Life without parole is better for whom? rug Sep 2013 #55

Life without parole is better for whom? wild bird Sep 2013 #60

Let's talk about parole. rug Sep 2013 #61

He committed a heinous crime, he purposly targeted a 1-1/2 yo boy wild bird Sep 2013 #65

Do you understand that criminal sentences serve three purposes? rug Sep 2013 #66

Ya, I understand. wild bird Sep 2013 #68

Oh, now he's a monster. rug Sep 2013 #71

"Human waste", "piece of shit" or "monster" RebelOne Sep 2013 #109

If objectifying humans into inanimate objects is how you deal with these situations, rug Sep 2013 #111

Hey, I was being nice, how I feel about this piece of scum would probably get me hidden. nt. wild bird Sep 2013 #110

There's a reason for that. rug Sep 2013 #112

Felony murder is where the death is an unintended but foreseeable consequence geek tragedy Sep 2013 #48

I know the difference. It wasn't clear from the excerpt. rug Sep 2013 #51

Passed the bar with flying colors. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #53

You're simply reciting the SC holding. rug Sep 2013 #56

I don't believe the state should kill people who are not an ongoing threat geek tragedy Sep 2013 #58

Is that a yes or is that a no? rug Sep 2013 #59

Yes or no what? geek tragedy Sep 2013 #62

What do you mean he deserves it but shouldn't get it? rug Sep 2013 #63

No, there are two entirely different calculations at play. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #64

Your kidding? Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #52

Obviously, at the very least, this kid shouldn't see parole for the better part of a half-century. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #79

Yes it does, otherwise we wouldnt have "life without parole" Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #84

How so? Life without parole is considered an appropriate sentence for someone judged to be nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #86

??? Are we talking in circles? You just cited Norway as an example. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #92

I didn't say I *agree* with life without parole. A decent argument can be made against it nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #93

No. I'm not kidding. LWOP is barbaric. rug Sep 2013 #85

More barbaric than murdering a 1-1/2 year old baby boy, wild bird Sep 2013 #99

No, barbaric nonetheless. rug Sep 2013 #113

Number 1, it wasn't a killing, it was a murder, 2 different animals. wild bird Sep 2013 #118

It's as impractical as it is hateful. rug Sep 2013 #119

"It remains unsupportable bullshit, regardless." wild bird Sep 2013 #121

Actually, there is a lot of research showing what's wrong with LWOP. rug Sep 2013 #123

Actually, I don't care what the research says. wild bird Sep 2013 #124

You're repeating yourself, senselessly, without support in reality. rug Sep 2013 #125

As do you. wild bird Sep 2013 #128

Your prediction is most likely wrong. rug Sep 2013 #133

I find it hard to believe that you think this animal has 60 years of life left. wild bird Sep 2013 #139

If LWOP is barbaric Daniel537 Sep 2013 #164

Not at all. There is a huge difference between doing time with the hope of release rug Sep 2013 #165

Who decided LWOP was uncivilized all of a sudden? Daniel537 Sep 2013 #167

Check again. The only thing it's better than is the death penalty. rug Sep 2013 #169

Well LWOP isn't going away anytime soon, so better get used to it. Daniel537 Sep 2013 #171

No, not as long as conservatives, teabaggers, woodchucks and assorted allies keep pushing it. rug Sep 2013 #177

Well, rug. Felony murder has been death penalty in many places. longship Sep 2013 #151

You're right. It can carry the same criminial liability. So does that of an accomplice. rug Sep 2013 #156

Good analogy. longship Sep 2013 #157

He threatened the baby twice and counted down from 5 when mother refused to hand over purse.. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #158

No, it's not felony murder. I thought it was based on the excerpt. It's noted upthread. rug Sep 2013 #159

Oh but of course Daniel537 Sep 2013 #163

There is a faulty premise in your post. rug Sep 2013 #166

We'll you can cling to that opinion as much as you want. Daniel537 Sep 2013 #168

Other than posting on the internet, how are you expressing your concern for the mother? rug Sep 2013 #170

Well i'm not advocating her son's killer have to the opportunity to be freed. Daniel537 Sep 2013 #172

And that helps her exactly how? rug Sep 2013 #174

It gives her the knowledge that this piece of garbage will never be free again wild bird Sep 2013 #179

You are rather presumptuous to think this young mother takes comfort in the fact rug Sep 2013 #180

Didn't watch her victim's impact statement at the sentencing hearing did you. wild bird Sep 2013 #181

Make sure you post the receipt. rug Sep 2013 #182

Why? wild bird Sep 2013 #183

Not particularly. rug Sep 2013 #186

So you're alleging that I'm a liar. wild bird Sep 2013 #187

I'm alleging nothing. You asked if I believed you. rug Sep 2013 #188

He was a young boy with a heart of stone. dawn frenzy adams Sep 2013 #12

Where'd the gun come from Kumbricia Sep 2013 #19

You say that like guns are under some kind of,...control. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #21

At first I thought accidental .. Lenomsky Sep 2013 #22

Completely deliberate and purely malicious. That's why I'm so torn RE: "life without parole." nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #81

even in 10 years he will be a different person. Sunlei Sep 2013 #23

That's the first time I've heard that suggestion telclaven Sep 2013 #31

I've never heard anyone suggest that either. Sunlei Sep 2013 #67

re: he'll be a different person... magical thyme Sep 2013 #26

Deliberate murder of a baby in a stroller. mn9driver Sep 2013 #27

A rare voice of sanity on this thread. Thank you. richmwill Sep 2013 #105

Life without parole is too harsh AngryAmish Sep 2013 #28

If someone is so devoid of human decency that they're willing to shoot geek tragedy Sep 2013 #29

I know I'm a different person than I was at 17 AngryAmish Sep 2013 #32

And neither will that baby have no life. wild bird Sep 2013 #36

Could you have walked up to an 18 month old toddler, looked him/her in the eye geek tragedy Sep 2013 #50

I think it's not harsh enough. RebelOne Sep 2013 #47

If this were any crime but cold-blooded murder, I'd be inclined to agree with you. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #83

Life without parole is too harsh novapress Sep 2013 #33

Not harsh enough for a cold-hearted baby killer. n/t RebelOne Sep 2013 #49

Shooting a baby in the face christx30 Sep 2013 #57

This scum's lawyer is an idiot. wild bird Sep 2013 #95

An idiot not to use the SCOTUS ruling in the sentencing phase? maxsolomon Sep 2013 #100

Did you read the last exerpt? wild bird Sep 2013 #103

You're reading the Supreme Court ruling incorrectly TorchTheWitch Sep 2013 #155

That was pointed out to me up thread and I acknowledged my mistake. wild bird Sep 2013 #160

gotcha TorchTheWitch Sep 2013 #173

I couldn't agree with more. wild bird Sep 2013 #178

Elkins, though he will have a limited life will at least have a life. alphafemale Sep 2013 #101

+1000. wild bird Sep 2013 #104

Well said, alpha Mojo Electro Sep 2013 #107

considering that this wasn't Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #108

Guns in the hands of the public is an astoundingly bad idea. Loudly Sep 2013 #129

Way to try and hijack the thread. wild bird Sep 2013 #144

Follow the logic. Or follow the money. Loudly Sep 2013 #145

Except this thread has nothing to do with your post. wild bird Sep 2013 #146

Apologies if you are right. Loudly Sep 2013 #147

No problem. wild bird Sep 2013 #148

Fortunately for him I wasn't the judge handing down the sentence. RebelOne Sep 2013 #130

throwing away the key for the prison industrial complex LAdemCali Sep 2013 #149

As opposed to the heinous crime this animal committed wild bird Sep 2013 #150

I totally agree prison should NEVER be a for profit endeavor gopiscrap Sep 2013 #175

BTW welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #176

Perspectives anyone? defacto7 Sep 2013 #152

Very well said, thank you. (nt) Inkfreak Sep 2013 #154

I would prefer this young man not see the light of day again... theHandpuppet Sep 2013 #153