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187. So you're alleging that I'm a liar.

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Sat Sep 14, 2013, 05:32 PM

Sep 2013

I had planned to, but now, not so much, so you'll have to take my word for it.
Or not, I don't care.

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Teen convicted of killing baby gets life in prison [View all] Bosonic Sep 2013 OP

Went to court quick. /nt Ash_F Sep 2013 #1

Good, this POS baby killer should never see a day of freedom again. wild bird Sep 2013 #2

Hopefully he will live a life of hell in prison and wish he were dead. RebelOne Sep 2013 #4

Ok this is against what the Supremes said Scairp Sep 2013 #72

Un no. wild bird Sep 2013 #77

That decision concerned the age when the crime was commited, but the key word is 'mandatory'. PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #132

You're right, wild bird Sep 2013 #138

Yes but they came close to it Scairp Sep 2013 #189

Not exactly. The SC decision prohibited _mandatory_ life without parole as a sentence. PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #136

Yes, good. Owl Sep 2013 #190

That's a good thing, although I doubt he'll last long. bluesbassman Sep 2013 #3

life WITH possibility of parole would have sufficed. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #5

And in 30, 40, 50 years YarnAddict Sep 2013 #6

you can't undo any crime maxsolomon Sep 2013 #11

What mitigating circumstance? LisaL Sep 2013 #7

i just said: the murderer was 17. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #10

He thought about it for several minutes, He threatened to shoot the baby geek tragedy Sep 2013 #30

I don't KNOW that this kid is "beyond redemption". You BELIEVE that. The court JUDGED that. maxsolomon Sep 2013 #75

70 year olds can pull a trigger just as well as 18 year olds. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #76

Then why don't 70-year olds pull a trigger as often at 18 year olds? maxsolomon Sep 2013 #90

the state sentenced him to life in prison because geek tragedy Sep 2013 #91

And, on top of the life w/o parole, wild bird Sep 2013 #96

because being a minor is a MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCE maxsolomon Sep 2013 #98

The rule is the state shall not kill, not that the state geek tragedy Sep 2013 #102

I think people sentenced might differ with your opinion in many cases. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #137

He probably will not christx30 Sep 2013 #82

this is an academic point that i'm trying to make, apparently maxsolomon Sep 2013 #87

What would we gain by christx30 Sep 2013 #94

"People in that culture" "They choose to act that way" maxsolomon Sep 2013 #97

Twenty minutes of tapping out that christx30 Sep 2013 #106

I believe the point he was making is that tblue37 Sep 2013 #161

So what's the alternative? christx30 Sep 2013 #184

We used to send 17-yr olds off to fight in WWII NickB79 Sep 2013 #185

Hmmm, yeah, no thanks. Daniel537 Sep 2013 #162

Way too harsh for felony murder. rug Sep 2013 #8

What on Earth are you talking about? LisaL Sep 2013 #9

It was a homicide that occurred during the commission of a felony. rug Sep 2013 #13

And that makes it better in your mind? LisaL Sep 2013 #14

No, it makes it felony murder. rug Sep 2013 #15

Yes. Much better. LisaL Sep 2013 #16

Why? rug Sep 2013 #17

Because I don't think he should ever be out on the streets again. LisaL Sep 2013 #18

Because this POS has no soul, no concious, and no remorse. wild bird Sep 2013 #34

Oh, bullshit,"no soul". rug Sep 2013 #35

Blah Blah Blah, save it for someone who cares. wild bird Sep 2013 #38

You can stand on a table and juggle your statement, for all the meaning it has. rug Sep 2013 #40

Actually, you're right, he's not a piece of shit, wild bird Sep 2013 #44

Let me ask you this, wild bird Sep 2013 #69

What a stupid fucking question. rug Sep 2013 #70

Okay, would you be willing to consider parole for him if a condition of that parole geek tragedy Sep 2013 #74

Well, we now have another contender for stupidest question of the thread. rug Sep 2013 #80

Your question has a false premise nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #88

Uh-huh. rug Sep 2013 #115

Wild Bird has billh58 Sep 2013 #191

I hope he donated the thousand dollars before left. rug Sep 2013 #192

More likely that billh58 Sep 2013 #193

Thanks for the info. I thought there was something off. rug Sep 2013 #194

I have pretty good evidence he will never kill again on the outside, since he will be in jail Travis_0004 Sep 2013 #140

What evidence do you have that he wants to kill again in the next 60 years? rug Sep 2013 #141

Some people are beyond rehabilitation. Travis_0004 Sep 2013 #142

Yeah but you may not know that for decades. rug Sep 2013 #143

Does that somehow lessen the severity of the homicide in your mind? tabasco Sep 2013 #73

Do you know anything about the degrees of criminal liability? rug Sep 2013 #78

For a crime as heinous as this, wild bird Sep 2013 #89

At age 18. rug Sep 2013 #114

See, here's the misunderstanding, wild bird Sep 2013 #116

I don't imsunderstand that at all. rug Sep 2013 #117

And I'm trying to figure out why you think this scum deserves any empathy at all. wild bird Sep 2013 #120

It's not a matter of empathy. It's a matter of dealing with a human being, not inanimate scum. rug Sep 2013 #122

All fine and dandy if we were dealing with a human being, wild bird Sep 2013 #126

There it is. You, in your omnipotence, declare him nonhuman. rug Sep 2013 #127

No, he declared himself non human when he cold bloodedly shot that innocent baby wild bird Sep 2013 #131

Bullshit. He murdered a baby. You declared him nonhuman. rug Sep 2013 #134

Sorry, not going to fly. nt. wild bird Sep 2013 #135

and it wasn't as if he was aiming at something else and shot the baby by accident JI7 Sep 2013 #20

There was malice wercal Sep 2013 #24

It's not felony murder, it's murder murder. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #25

If killing the baby was a separate act, then you're right it would not be felony murder. rug Sep 2013 #37

I'll save my sympathies for the family of that little boy that this POS cold bloodedly murdered, wild bird Sep 2013 #39

Don't tell me. You also think the U.S. should attack Syria. rug Sep 2013 #41

WTF? What does this have to do with Syria? Trying to deflect? wild bird Sep 2013 #42

I'm glad you overcame your cavalier disregard for human life on one issue. rug Sep 2013 #43

I oppose bombing and killing innocent men, women and children. wild bird Sep 2013 #45

So, you prefer to execute him? rug Sep 2013 #46

Didn't read the whole thread did you? wild bird Sep 2013 #54

Life without parole is better for whom? rug Sep 2013 #55

Life without parole is better for whom? wild bird Sep 2013 #60

Let's talk about parole. rug Sep 2013 #61

He committed a heinous crime, he purposly targeted a 1-1/2 yo boy wild bird Sep 2013 #65

Do you understand that criminal sentences serve three purposes? rug Sep 2013 #66

Ya, I understand. wild bird Sep 2013 #68

Oh, now he's a monster. rug Sep 2013 #71

"Human waste", "piece of shit" or "monster" RebelOne Sep 2013 #109

If objectifying humans into inanimate objects is how you deal with these situations, rug Sep 2013 #111

Hey, I was being nice, how I feel about this piece of scum would probably get me hidden. nt. wild bird Sep 2013 #110

There's a reason for that. rug Sep 2013 #112

Felony murder is where the death is an unintended but foreseeable consequence geek tragedy Sep 2013 #48

I know the difference. It wasn't clear from the excerpt. rug Sep 2013 #51

Passed the bar with flying colors. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #53

You're simply reciting the SC holding. rug Sep 2013 #56

I don't believe the state should kill people who are not an ongoing threat geek tragedy Sep 2013 #58

Is that a yes or is that a no? rug Sep 2013 #59

Yes or no what? geek tragedy Sep 2013 #62

What do you mean he deserves it but shouldn't get it? rug Sep 2013 #63

No, there are two entirely different calculations at play. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #64

Your kidding? Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #52

Obviously, at the very least, this kid shouldn't see parole for the better part of a half-century. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #79

Yes it does, otherwise we wouldnt have "life without parole" Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #84

How so? Life without parole is considered an appropriate sentence for someone judged to be nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #86

??? Are we talking in circles? You just cited Norway as an example. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #92

I didn't say I *agree* with life without parole. A decent argument can be made against it nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #93

No. I'm not kidding. LWOP is barbaric. rug Sep 2013 #85

More barbaric than murdering a 1-1/2 year old baby boy, wild bird Sep 2013 #99

No, barbaric nonetheless. rug Sep 2013 #113

Number 1, it wasn't a killing, it was a murder, 2 different animals. wild bird Sep 2013 #118

It's as impractical as it is hateful. rug Sep 2013 #119

"It remains unsupportable bullshit, regardless." wild bird Sep 2013 #121

Actually, there is a lot of research showing what's wrong with LWOP. rug Sep 2013 #123

Actually, I don't care what the research says. wild bird Sep 2013 #124

You're repeating yourself, senselessly, without support in reality. rug Sep 2013 #125

As do you. wild bird Sep 2013 #128

Your prediction is most likely wrong. rug Sep 2013 #133

I find it hard to believe that you think this animal has 60 years of life left. wild bird Sep 2013 #139

If LWOP is barbaric Daniel537 Sep 2013 #164

Not at all. There is a huge difference between doing time with the hope of release rug Sep 2013 #165

Who decided LWOP was uncivilized all of a sudden? Daniel537 Sep 2013 #167

Check again. The only thing it's better than is the death penalty. rug Sep 2013 #169

Well LWOP isn't going away anytime soon, so better get used to it. Daniel537 Sep 2013 #171

No, not as long as conservatives, teabaggers, woodchucks and assorted allies keep pushing it. rug Sep 2013 #177

Well, rug. Felony murder has been death penalty in many places. longship Sep 2013 #151

You're right. It can carry the same criminial liability. So does that of an accomplice. rug Sep 2013 #156

Good analogy. longship Sep 2013 #157

He threatened the baby twice and counted down from 5 when mother refused to hand over purse.. aikoaiko Sep 2013 #158

No, it's not felony murder. I thought it was based on the excerpt. It's noted upthread. rug Sep 2013 #159

Oh but of course Daniel537 Sep 2013 #163

There is a faulty premise in your post. rug Sep 2013 #166

We'll you can cling to that opinion as much as you want. Daniel537 Sep 2013 #168

Other than posting on the internet, how are you expressing your concern for the mother? rug Sep 2013 #170

Well i'm not advocating her son's killer have to the opportunity to be freed. Daniel537 Sep 2013 #172

And that helps her exactly how? rug Sep 2013 #174

It gives her the knowledge that this piece of garbage will never be free again wild bird Sep 2013 #179

You are rather presumptuous to think this young mother takes comfort in the fact rug Sep 2013 #180

Didn't watch her victim's impact statement at the sentencing hearing did you. wild bird Sep 2013 #181

Make sure you post the receipt. rug Sep 2013 #182

Why? wild bird Sep 2013 #183

Not particularly. rug Sep 2013 #186

So you're alleging that I'm a liar. wild bird Sep 2013 #187

I'm alleging nothing. You asked if I believed you. rug Sep 2013 #188

He was a young boy with a heart of stone. dawn frenzy adams Sep 2013 #12

Where'd the gun come from Kumbricia Sep 2013 #19

You say that like guns are under some kind of,...control. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #21

At first I thought accidental .. Lenomsky Sep 2013 #22

Completely deliberate and purely malicious. That's why I'm so torn RE: "life without parole." nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #81

even in 10 years he will be a different person. Sunlei Sep 2013 #23

That's the first time I've heard that suggestion telclaven Sep 2013 #31

I've never heard anyone suggest that either. Sunlei Sep 2013 #67

re: he'll be a different person... magical thyme Sep 2013 #26

Deliberate murder of a baby in a stroller. mn9driver Sep 2013 #27

A rare voice of sanity on this thread. Thank you. richmwill Sep 2013 #105

Life without parole is too harsh AngryAmish Sep 2013 #28

If someone is so devoid of human decency that they're willing to shoot geek tragedy Sep 2013 #29

I know I'm a different person than I was at 17 AngryAmish Sep 2013 #32

And neither will that baby have no life. wild bird Sep 2013 #36

Could you have walked up to an 18 month old toddler, looked him/her in the eye geek tragedy Sep 2013 #50

I think it's not harsh enough. RebelOne Sep 2013 #47

If this were any crime but cold-blooded murder, I'd be inclined to agree with you. nomorenomore08 Sep 2013 #83

Life without parole is too harsh novapress Sep 2013 #33

Not harsh enough for a cold-hearted baby killer. n/t RebelOne Sep 2013 #49

Shooting a baby in the face christx30 Sep 2013 #57

This scum's lawyer is an idiot. wild bird Sep 2013 #95

An idiot not to use the SCOTUS ruling in the sentencing phase? maxsolomon Sep 2013 #100

Did you read the last exerpt? wild bird Sep 2013 #103

You're reading the Supreme Court ruling incorrectly TorchTheWitch Sep 2013 #155

That was pointed out to me up thread and I acknowledged my mistake. wild bird Sep 2013 #160

gotcha TorchTheWitch Sep 2013 #173

I couldn't agree with more. wild bird Sep 2013 #178

Elkins, though he will have a limited life will at least have a life. alphafemale Sep 2013 #101

+1000. wild bird Sep 2013 #104

Well said, alpha Mojo Electro Sep 2013 #107

considering that this wasn't Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #108

Guns in the hands of the public is an astoundingly bad idea. Loudly Sep 2013 #129

Way to try and hijack the thread. wild bird Sep 2013 #144

Follow the logic. Or follow the money. Loudly Sep 2013 #145

Except this thread has nothing to do with your post. wild bird Sep 2013 #146

Apologies if you are right. Loudly Sep 2013 #147

No problem. wild bird Sep 2013 #148

Fortunately for him I wasn't the judge handing down the sentence. RebelOne Sep 2013 #130

throwing away the key for the prison industrial complex LAdemCali Sep 2013 #149

As opposed to the heinous crime this animal committed wild bird Sep 2013 #150

I totally agree prison should NEVER be a for profit endeavor gopiscrap Sep 2013 #175

BTW welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #176

Perspectives anyone? defacto7 Sep 2013 #152

Very well said, thank you. (nt) Inkfreak Sep 2013 #154

I would prefer this young man not see the light of day again... theHandpuppet Sep 2013 #153