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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
11. Yeah, most had emotional/mental problems already.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 09:39 AM
Oct 2013

Last edited Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:14 AM - Edit history (1)

Ya know what? You already nailed it. Those emotional problems come from being raised in a "sick, mean vicious country breeding sick, mean pathological monsters."

Actually, I believe in family values. I believe every family ought to have enough to eat, decent shelter, health care including mental health care, access to good jobs, a good education,and a positive connection to the larger community. Instead, we have people who are born to 13 year-old single mothers, traumatized by the brutal conditions around them, beaten down by an uncaring system, raised in squalor, and destined for prison. We would much rather invest in incarceration than in early intervention, would rather let mental illness fester until it erupts in violence than head it off early, and would rather destroy the human potential of millions of children rather than nurture and educate them.

Then we wonder where the monsters come from.

And another thing--about this screening of gun buyers? That's a total fantasy. I happen to be a criminal forensic psychologist with a specialization in violence risk assessment and considerable experience testifying in court on these issues, and I can tell you that we do not have the tools to reliably identify who might be a potential mass killer. It's always easy after the fact--you can always find cues and ask how people cold have missed them.

But--suppose one person in 1 million is a potential mass murderer, and suppose that you have an actuarial instrument that helps you identify people more likely to commit such crimes. The BEST actuarials in the behavioral sciences have likelihood ratios on the order of 3.0. That means that someone who tests "positive" on your instrument is 3 times more likely than the average person to commit a violent crime. Further imagine that 1 person in 100 tests positive on your instrument. That is a very conservative estimate of the rate of "dangerous serious mental illess" in the population, lower than the rate of paranoid schizophrenia, and much lower than the rate of Bipolar Disorder. For simplicity, we will say that the US population is about 300 million. Given that 1-in-1-million figure for mass murderers, your instrument will identify 3 million people as high-risk, but only 300 of them would actually commit a mass murder. You are therefore falsely identifying 100,000 people as high-risk for every one you correctly identify as high risk. Furthermore, since your instrument is only 3 times better than chance, you will be missing about 1/3 of the actual mass murderers.

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2nd Amendment Freedom! jpak Oct 2013 #1
What is it called; greiner3 Oct 2013 #2
It doesn't matter how responsible and law abiding gun owners think they are. Loudly Oct 2013 #3
This man could not legally own guns - he has an extensive criminal record. hack89 Oct 2013 #8
He was able to obtain a gun because guns are so abundant in America. Loudly Oct 2013 #12
And how do you plan to accomplish that? hack89 Oct 2013 #14
First turn off the "legitimate" spigot. Shut down manufacture, importation and retail sale. Loudly Oct 2013 #21
Doesn't your "solution" have to have at least a tenuous link to American legal and cultural reality? hack89 Oct 2013 #22
Nothing which a solidly liberal U.S. Supreme Court cannot solve. Loudly Oct 2013 #47
Just like the conservative SC promptly over turned Roe v Wade ... oh wait. hack89 Oct 2013 #48
SCOTUS need not ban it. Loudly Oct 2013 #49
Make air. sendero Oct 2013 #50
Good God, there used to be a mass shooting every 10 years. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #4
yep, true +1000 heaven05 Oct 2013 #5
Yeah, most had emotional/mental problems already. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #11
I take your word on the fantasy of screening heaven05 Oct 2013 #15
Good post. nt tblue37 Oct 2013 #23
you are never going to catch everyone, but you can catch some.... ejpoeta Oct 2013 #53
Pleas understand I'm not agruing against gun control. Just about a proposed method. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #57
They seem to be averaging every four days. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #6
Actually the number has held steady for 30 years hack89 Oct 2013 #7
Okay. I feel so much better knowing that the status quo maintains. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #19
Personally I am happy they are not increasing. hack89 Oct 2013 #20
but the homicide rate is still the lowest in a long Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #51
That's true--all crime rates are much lower than 20 years ago. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #58
And the NRA apologists billh58 Oct 2013 #9
There is a lot to see here. hack89 Oct 2013 #17
Yet this felon found billh58 Oct 2013 #24
So all legal gun owners are to blame? hack89 Oct 2013 #25
Just like a Gungeoneer billh58 Oct 2013 #26
I fully agree that guns can be regulated and I do not support unlimited access to guns hack89 Oct 2013 #27
A good guy with a gun would have.... meanit Oct 2013 #10
You just said what I was going to say. Aristus Oct 2013 #13
Responsible gun owner Dopers_Greed Oct 2013 #16
No - a violent felon who cannot legally own guns. nt hack89 Oct 2013 #18
It's always interesting to see how easy it is for these prohibited felons to get guns! rdharma Oct 2013 #28
I certainly agree that the illegal gun trafficking is a serious problem hack89 Oct 2013 #29
No. Gun registration is needed. rdharma Oct 2013 #30
Two major flaws with that idea hack89 Oct 2013 #31
Start registration NOW! rdharma Oct 2013 #32
And just how do you plan to do it? hack89 Oct 2013 #33
A simple Federal law requiring that all modern firearms be registered. rdharma Oct 2013 #34
Just like those simple Federal laws making heroin and cocaine illegal? hack89 Oct 2013 #35
Oh, it will work! rdharma Oct 2013 #36
So why do so many criminals have guns right now? Isn't there a law against that? hack89 Oct 2013 #37
Because there is no "track of ownership"! rdharma Oct 2013 #39
So with hundreds of millions of presently unregistered guns in America hack89 Oct 2013 #40
It won't stop gun sucides or mass shootings hack89 Oct 2013 #38
Yes. Criminals make up for many gun deaths due to lack of gun control/registration. rdharma Oct 2013 #41
So you don't care about two thirds of gun deaths? Ok hack89 Oct 2013 #42
It's time to collect the "unregistered" guns! rdharma Oct 2013 #43
Why can't we collect all the illegal guns right now? What is stopping us? hack89 Oct 2013 #44
No registration or tracking mechanism. rdharma Oct 2013 #45
How will all those illegal guns owned by felons be registered? hack89 Oct 2013 #46
I don't think Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #52
Oh, it's feasible! rdharma Oct 2013 #54
we would loose elections like crazy Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #55
So the NRA wins again..... rdharma Oct 2013 #56
the nra isn't the lead on this... Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #59
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