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168. You are not explaining the cause of terrorism and al Shahab, you're spinning it
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:59 PM
Oct 2013

to suit your own ideological agenda. Al Shahab's motives are not related to your objections to US foreign policy. Trying to exterminate all Muslims, starve the people of Somalia, and force everyone else to convert to radical Islam is not resistance to imperialism. It is imperialism of a different king.

This is nonsense bordering on gibberish:

However, the U.S. has acted in violation of the Constitution (Congress has not declared war against any nation, and the AUMF does not absolve Congress nor empower the President to abrogate their Constitutional duties). Thus, the U.S. has no legal military grounds to violate other nation's sovereignty and kill its citizens. Also, the U.S. government has issued no arrest warrants that I have seen to arrest and extradite these people for trial and punishment if convicted.


1. The Constitution does not require Congress to declare war against a nation in order to authorize military force. That's just something you made up. Law is not a game of Calvinball wherein it means "it is illegal to take action which offends the sensibilties of the anti-American left at any given moment."

2. Al Shahab is fighting against the lawful government of Somalia. We are not violating Somalia's sovereignty by helping it quash a rogue militia/army whose goal is to conquer Somalia. The US is coordinating its efforts with Somalia's government. In fact, the United Nations is coordinating the international military response to al Shahab. So, your appeal to Somalia's sovereignty is a red herring.

3. There is no need to issue arrest warrants when dealing with a military opponent. Military opponents may be killed until they surrender. Then talk about arrest warrants becomes relevant. Not until then. Regardless of their criminal status, their status as military participants in a war means they are legitimate targets of armed force so long as they are participants. If they don't want to get shot or droned, their only option is to stop waging war.

This is the kind of moral equivalence horse shit that gives leftists a bad name:

Thus, the U.S., like the terrorists, is acting outside the legal strictures of both military and criminal law as defined and enforced by treaty (strictures the U.S. agreed to be legally bound to).


The US action is legal, in accordance with both US law and is in support of the United Nations' mission in the area. Al Shahab murders civilians and has forced all food aid organizations out of the area, imposing famine on the area.

There is no room for differing opinions on this. You are simply wrong, factually and ethically, based on your ideological conviction that the United States is the source of all evil on Planet Earth.

If you get past your Great Satan theory of international politics, you will understand law and war much better.

Until then, I guess you're free to persist in your fact-free fantasy that terrorists are the way they are because Americans forced them to be that way, and that it's illegal to do anything to inconvenience terrorists if they amass in such numbers that civilian law enforcement can't touch them.

But those with responsibility in the real world have to actually address the problem of civil war and famine in Somalia, not soil themselves over being mean to terrrorist and wannabe conquerors.

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And that's a good thing for it being Obama's fault. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #5
Give credit where credit is due. Mz Pip Oct 2013 #6
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Murdered? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #7
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Exactly. cosmicone Oct 2013 #44
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Is that an admission of a lack of an alternate plan? cosmicone Oct 2013 #179
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Those guys got off easy Mz Pip Oct 2013 #10
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Except, you know, not. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #26
No, bowens43, you don't have it quite right. Maedhros Oct 2013 #49
You should actually read the article. Might even learn something. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #57
I read the article, thank you. Maedhros Oct 2013 #59
So, would you support boots on the ground to capture these guys? penultimate Oct 2013 #64
If we are compelled to take action against mass murdering criminals Maedhros Oct 2013 #79
What does that ultimately mean? penultimate Oct 2013 #83
You really should learn the law before making such stupid arguments geek tragedy Oct 2013 #142
I see the use of drones as counterproductive in the "War on Terror." Maedhros Oct 2013 #165
So, you see drones as having a magical, talismanic property that makes geek tragedy Oct 2013 #166
No - they do not have magical properties. Maedhros Oct 2013 #169
So, it's air strikes on terrorists to which you object? geek tragedy Oct 2013 #171
I object to neverending global aggression with too little oversight and diminishing returns. Maedhros Oct 2013 #173
Do you realize that the UN is pushing for a more aggressive military response to Al Shahab? geek tragedy Oct 2013 #174
"It's sloppy, kills too many bystanders and has not proved to curtail "terrorist" activities." EX500rider Oct 2013 #217
They tried a snatch last week, didn't work. EX500rider Oct 2013 #70
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Like I said: there is Rule of Law, and there is Might Makes Right. Maedhros Oct 2013 #77
well if they had surrendered to those navy SEALS a few weeks ago they'd have been arraigned in a Fed arely staircase Oct 2013 #122
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Oh, for fuck's sake. nt Codeine Oct 2013 #62
I wonder if the drone made people beg for their lives? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #269
I keep wondering why the NSA monitoring didn't prevent this mall attack? MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #11
Al Shahab is at war with the sovereign government of Somalia, so doubtful geek tragedy Oct 2013 #13
Or a choice? MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #15
Do you honestly believe the government of Somalia geek tragedy Oct 2013 #17
Heck, it's challenging enough to believe the government of Somalia exists. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #32
Technically, there is sovereign territory there, so in terms of legal form it exists nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #34
Do you honestly believe we should set the bar with what the government of Somalia deems appropriate? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #36
Would you be happy if say MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #37
When the all of the USA east of the Misssissippi is occupied geek tragedy Oct 2013 #39
The Boston Bombers were from Somalia? Fumesucker Oct 2013 #94
What's Chechen for 'non sequitur?' nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #97
geek tragedy n/t Fumesucker Oct 2013 #98
Funny, that means "asshole" in English. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #104
you should read up on Somalia JI7 Oct 2013 #19
There is no "sovereign government of Somalia", only competing factions Alamuti Lotus Oct 2013 #116
One is backed by the United Nations. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #130
According to this logic we shouldn't have police... ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #21
According to your logic, we shouldn't have courts Maedhros Oct 2013 #47
Courts are for people who are taken into custody. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #55
We're not at war in Somalia, thus by definitiion we have no military targets there. Maedhros Oct 2013 #60
They are armed and engaged in military conflict. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #67
But we are NOT engaged in that conflict. If we were, we would have declared war. Maedhros Oct 2013 #81
They killed Americans, and attacked a US ally. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #86
Will you PLEASE stop this pkdu Oct 2013 #226
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"If we were, we would have declared war." EX500rider Oct 2013 #194
Yeah, I didn't think that through too well. Maedhros Oct 2013 #200
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"Lawless" does not equate to "a battlefield." [n/t] Maedhros Oct 2013 #225
Just because we deem some place lawless should not give us carte blanche.... EX500rider Oct 2013 #259
Who appointed us World Police? Maedhros Oct 2013 #261
"The Red Brigades and the Bader-Meinhof Gang" EX500rider Oct 2013 #263
To threaten the United States a Yemeni or Somali "terrorist" would have to travel internationally. Maedhros Oct 2013 #265
Right, to hell with the masses of starving... EX500rider Oct 2013 #272
I am unconvinced that you actually care about starving people other than as a rhetorical cudgel. Maedhros Oct 2013 #273
The Authorization to Use Military Force declares war ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2013 #260
"by definition we have no military targets there. They are mass murdering criminals." EX500rider Oct 2013 #216
Bravo! n/t cosmicone Oct 2013 #48
I can understand your MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #99
"Doing the right thing is so passe these days. It's just hard. Hard work." EX500rider Oct 2013 #218
Any fool can launch a drone and THINK they are taking care of the problem MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #219
Actually killing the tech guys and leaders.. EX500rider Oct 2013 #222
Yes 12 years in and it is working great.. MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #224
"we find the cause of it" EX500rider Oct 2013 #254
You know, you'd really better hope that "The Other Side" (de jour) isn't taking notes ... Nihil Oct 2013 #231
Well the Taliban, Al Queda and al-Shabaab are free to try.. EX500rider Oct 2013 #247
Don't know about al-Shabaab's capabilities ... Nihil Oct 2013 #281
"Blowback: It's a real bastard when you're on the receiving end." EX500rider Nov 2013 #289
adios mofos mitchtv Oct 2013 #22
Good news. good riddance al-Shabaab scum rollin74 Oct 2013 #24
And of course Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #25
The alternative is doing nothing but sending them sternly worded letters. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #30
Really? Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #46
So, not content to object to attacking terrorists, now you object to blaming them geek tragedy Oct 2013 #53
You dodge the point Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #101
Nothing you wrote is relevant to Al shahab's campaign geek tragedy Oct 2013 #102
and the people in the mall were not JUST killed...they were tortured and mutilated... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #108
Oh Kevin Mace. tblue Oct 2013 #119
And the rest of thought we had landed in Lala land... EX500rider Oct 2013 #253
Double secret probation, and tell 'em. Then they'll know they're fucked. Kennah Oct 2013 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist Oct 2013 #182
No, the fallacy is from you "let al shahab do whatever it wants" geek tragedy Oct 2013 #183
This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist Oct 2013 #186
Okay, superprogressive genius all-star, what's your nonviolent solution geek tragedy Oct 2013 #187
At least you are on a better path now Cronus Protagonist Oct 2013 #190
So, there isn't an actual nonviolent solution as far as you know. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #192
This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist Oct 2013 #238
In other words, you can't think of a nonviolent solution geek tragedy Oct 2013 #239
Due process is so pre-9/11. Maedhros Oct 2013 #45
*sigh* Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #51
Your whitewashing of al Shahab's motive is appalingly ignorant. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #56
Possibly true, Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #133
Ok, when you actually know something about geek tragedy Oct 2013 #134
When you actually know something about the Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #135
I know US history quite well. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #136
I am not an "apologist" Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #167
You are not explaining the cause of terrorism and al Shahab, you're spinning it geek tragedy Oct 2013 #168
Cause and effect - Somalia is a product of imperial policies Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #172
Do you support the UN's goal of militarily defeating Al Shahab? geek tragedy Oct 2013 #175
The UN at least has some legitimacy Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #197
Your answer on the UN was all over the place. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #198
Actually, Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #199
The US is doing what the UN is asking for. So the answer must be geek tragedy Oct 2013 #202
You are correct Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #232
There is not a single intelligent person who doubts geek tragedy Oct 2013 #233
"Somalia is a product of imperial policies" EX500rider Oct 2013 #258
And who stepped in, playing one group off the other Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #275
"Which came first, U.S.government/corporate imperial interventions, or terrorism?" EX500rider Oct 2013 #256
Somalia has been a vassal state and then a pawn of the cold war for Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #274
"If the U.S. wants to stop terrorism..... EX500rider Nov 2013 #295
You keep jumping around Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #296
Wow. Haven't seen an actual "terrorists are the real victims" narrative bandied around in awhile. nt Posteritatis Oct 2013 #58
Please point to where I said that Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #95
Your are acting as an apologist for al Shahab by claiming that they are merely an oppressed geek tragedy Oct 2013 #110
No kidding. Al Shahab was pushed into trying to conquer Somaliia and exterminate infidels geek tragedy Oct 2013 #112
Terrorism is merely another tool for war... LanternWaste Oct 2013 #69
Let me clarify then Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #92
"Once terrorism has reached the point of suicide bombers, you have lost the fight." EX500rider Oct 2013 #223
Terrorism worked for the IRA Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #242
I didn't say terroism never worked... EX500rider Oct 2013 #245
No, the side that pushes people to suicide bombing has lost Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #249
"Suicide bombing is the third world response to "shock and awe"" EX500rider Oct 2013 #252
Not what I said... Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #278
Well 1st you have to decide.. EX500rider Oct 2013 #280
It comes down to how cavalier you are with other people's lives Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #284
"This would be about the time rescue workers-fireman, paramedics, good Samaritans" EX500rider Nov 2013 #290
Using it at all is wrong Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #291
Kinda depends... EX500rider Nov 2013 #292
Again, you ducked the more apt comparison Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #293
Only apt if you think... EX500rider Nov 2013 #294
I didn't ask you if you would be happy the drones arrived Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #297
Yeah, the kamikazes proved that the US had geek tragedy Oct 2013 #230
Apples and oranges Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #234
So, then so long as we're willing to kill every al shahab that exists, geek tragedy Oct 2013 #235
Yes, that or Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #240
I have answered your questions. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #241
So, your answer is, I believe what I am told Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #243
No, the answer is that I don't need the US military to tell geek tragedy Oct 2013 #244
But you are OK with using Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #246
Oh, so your issue with me is that I don't hate the US military. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #248
Actually the issue I was using was "trust" Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #250
"employing institutions with serious moral deficiencies" well yeah welcome geek tragedy Oct 2013 #251
terrorism is sadly the weapon of the insanely religious fanatical death cults nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #123
People who talk about due process w/r/t Al Shahab have zero interest in actually geek tragedy Oct 2013 #54
One either believes in the rule of law, or in "might makes right." [n/t] Maedhros Oct 2013 #61
Rule of criminal procedure covers unarmed people in custody, geek tragedy Oct 2013 #68
At last, a voice of dispassionate reason. tblue Oct 2013 #118
Do you support the United Nations in its efforts to defeat Al Shahab? geek tragedy Oct 2013 #143
Legal trials suck monkey balls NoOneMan Oct 2013 #29
Avoid inconveniencing al Shahab! Let them kill as much as they want! geek tragedy Oct 2013 #31
A legal trial is now appeasement? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #35
Insisting on an impossibility instead of meaningful action is indeed appeasement. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #38
Maybe we need to rethink that military budget NoOneMan Oct 2013 #40
So, you propose invading Somalia to capture them? geek tragedy Oct 2013 #41
What is the price of law and justice? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #63
Killing al Shahab is perfectly legal. They are combatants. Nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #66
Maybe? We don't know. Has he been convicted of such in a court of law with a fair trial? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #75
Courts of law don't determine who is party to geek tragedy Oct 2013 #76
Is funny how all this weasel wording is developed to relabel terrorist NoOneMan Oct 2013 #82
Terrorists, yes. Entire armies, no. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #84
What is the non-arbitrary threshold for when a terrorists' followers are too numerous for arrest? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #87
The line is way below an armed and organized force geek tragedy Oct 2013 #89
Just point to the law please NoOneMan Oct 2013 #90
It's a subsection of the law that permits geek tragedy Oct 2013 #91
Yes. "Sufficient numbers". Where is the non-arbitrary definition of such NoOneMan Oct 2013 #93
The relevant law is the AUMF of 2001. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #96
Conversely, under international law, is it permissible to use force to kill international criminals NoOneMan Oct 2013 #100
If they're armed and engaged on armed attacks, yes. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #103
Were they when the drone fired at them? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #105
Ah, the old pacifist chestnut that it's illegal to kill anyone if their finger isn't on the trigger geek tragedy Oct 2013 #107
Oh. You mean Japanese soldiers in WWII? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #115
You act as of being an illegal unconventional geek tragedy Oct 2013 #129
Likewise, you act as if their unconventional nature allows the US to skirt all law in pursuit NoOneMan Oct 2013 #137
Somalia is a theater of war. An ironclad justification for shooting at them geek tragedy Oct 2013 #138
Where is the US declaration of war on Somalia? Has this declaration been deemed permissible by... NoOneMan Oct 2013 #139
The US is aiding United Nations efforts to defeat al Shahab. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #140
"dishonest question" NoOneMan Oct 2013 #146
There is a war in Somalia, and al Shahab is one of the main parties in that war. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #147
So just Somalia then? Not Pakistan? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #150
Changing the subject now that your complaints abou tthis action have geek tragedy Oct 2013 #151
I'm trying to figure out if your grounds are groundless NoOneMan Oct 2013 #152
In other words, yes you are changing the subject because it turns geek tragedy Oct 2013 #154
So Pakistan? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #155
We have the tacit permission of their government, and stirkes against AQ/Taliban geek tragedy Oct 2013 #156
So? I didn't ask if the US had permission. I asked if the extrajudicial killings there are legal NoOneMan Oct 2013 #159
Permission=legal. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #160
I'd think that if a regime gave the US permission to torture its citizens, we could agree thats... NoOneMan Oct 2013 #161
Playing Calvinball again. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #162
"Permission=legal" NoOneMan Oct 2013 #163
No, bin Laden was the commander of al qaeda when he was taken out. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #184
He is the on extrajudicial killing in Pakistan? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #188
Af-Pak is a war zone, so yeah the killings there tend to be extra-judicial nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #189
Were at war with Pakistan? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #191
I'll admit that you've worn me down with your repetition geek tragedy Oct 2013 #193
Guess you weren't paying attention the last time they tried that in Mogadishu, then. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #50
You then believe a trial of suspected terrorists would soothe the ruffled feathers of other terroris LanternWaste Oct 2013 #72
Feel free to point out where I said anything close to the statement you're replying to. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #73
Go drones!! cosmicone Oct 2013 #42
The cycle of violence continues... Ash_F Oct 2013 #65
Good! Kaleva Oct 2013 #106
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are you still hoping to speak for me? reddread Oct 2013 #204
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To kill a terrorist is to play his game. burnsei sensei Oct 2013 #177
"I wish they had been apprehended." EX500rider Oct 2013 #196
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Eichmann? Seriously? RZM Oct 2013 #267
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