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44. Because of our defense pact with Japan. n/t

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China scrambles jets after US, Japan enter air zone [View all] jakeXT Nov 2013 OP

"So, you are surprised I speak your language, eh?" nt bemildred Nov 2013 #1

It's mine. No, it's mine. I said it's mine. No, I said it's mine. Wait, it's mine. Berlum Nov 2013 #2

That's an excellent idea LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #3

"Can't we all just get along?" - Rodney K. Berlum Nov 2013 #5

+++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #51

Bingo. What it's really about. nt okaawhatever Dec 2013 #138

Good idea.... paleotn Nov 2013 #19

What the fuck? Why is it any of our business? Scuba Nov 2013 #40

Because of our defense pact with Japan. n/t cheapdate Nov 2013 #44

And why is it Japan's business? Scuba Nov 2013 #45

Why are Japanese islands Japan's business? EX500rider Nov 2013 #47

Exactly. Some people are so intent on blaming the US and our allies for things they'll say anything stevenleser Nov 2013 #49

Ah, Mr. Leser, Democratic Strategist. Explains so much. Scuba Nov 2013 #63

No, it doesnt explain anything other than you have nothing besides ad-hominem attacks. stevenleser Nov 2013 #69

Playing the "Blame America First!!!!!" card, no less. JoeyT Nov 2013 #88

Yeah, I hate America so much I spent six years serving in our military. Scuba Nov 2013 #99

Yeah, you love the US and the military like Snowden loves the NSA that he served in. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #104

+100 nt okaawhatever Dec 2013 #139

Because blaming the US for the Chinese attempting to seize Japanese islands makes so much sense stevenleser Nov 2013 #103

+1000 Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #106

I will give you the "strategist" reference MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #97

That's basic world history. Not terribly political, except perhaps that these MADem Nov 2013 #102

Sounds like China has an older claim (14th century) than Japan (1895). Scuba Nov 2013 #61

"Claims to have discovered" in the 14th century.... EX500rider Nov 2013 #64

They're still grasping at straws for ways to blame the US and/or our allies. stevenleser Nov 2013 #71

China also claiming islands of Philippines and Vietnam FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #152

Geography? stevenleser Nov 2013 #48

someone sooner or later heaven05 Nov 2013 #4

Last time this did not end well with our crew forced to land on Hainan island Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #6

it could have ended worse, the crew landed on Hainan and survived. olddad56 Nov 2013 #32

I had never heard about this incident. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #100

I've always said China will start WW3 jessie04 Nov 2013 #7

The PRC carla Nov 2013 #23

You're wrong Lurks Often Nov 2013 #24

which pales in comparison to the wars and illegal invasions that we have started. olddad56 Nov 2013 #33

You mean like Vietnam? Lurks Often Nov 2013 #39

Yep, both sides of American politics are in love with waging war. Scuba Nov 2013 #41

Like Iraq and Afghanistan? olddad56 Nov 2013 #113

The difference is I won't be a hypocrite, Lurks Often Nov 2013 #116

If we can fool the Chinese HoosierCowboy Nov 2013 #8

US retaliates and orders the national guard to block people from Walmart. L0oniX Nov 2013 #9

Ha! That would probably hurt the PRC paleotn Nov 2013 #20

we need those seagulls tfrom ce age(i think) mine , mi ne, mine, mine ,mine ,mine leftyohiolib Nov 2013 #10

Finding Nemo PeoViejo Nov 2013 #25

that's it thanks i knew ice age wasnt correct leftyohiolib Nov 2013 #26

My pleasure. PeoViejo Nov 2013 #28

Do we still have a CIC? MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #11

Yep. They've been doing provocations like this to thwart peace for a long time. bemildred Nov 2013 #12

"Yep. They've been doing provocations like this to thwart peace for a long time." EX500rider Nov 2013 #58

We do it. We do it a lot. bemildred Nov 2013 #70

We're only tangentially involved. This is about Japan and China. I know some folks can't resist stevenleser Nov 2013 #74

Oh right, now we're only "tangentially involved", not "bound by treaties". bemildred Nov 2013 #75

I mentioned the treaty in the message text of my comment. We're not a party to the dispute stevenleser Nov 2013 #76

"It's not about us or our foreign policy." bemildred Nov 2013 #77

I think you need to listen to yourself. I know you want to make this about us. It's not. stevenleser Nov 2013 #78

That's it, put words in my mouth, then laugh at them. Brilliant repartee. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #79

That is your position in a nutshell. I know, its embarrassing to have it laid out like that. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #108

Yes, I've seen your ability to read the minds of people you don't agree with before. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #111

I understand wanting to run away from your position once it is laid out. Blaming me won't help. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #112

I'm not blaming you, I'm saying you are projecting like mad. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #114

I'm not the one projecting US fault for a confrontation between China and Japan. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #122

You seem to be obsessed with the idea, and assume everyone else must be too? bemildred Dec 2013 #135

It's about a legal agreement between US and Japan that was the result of Foreign Policy circa WWII. okaawhatever Dec 2013 #140

Would you agree it's about us? bemildred Dec 2013 #142

All it's about is China trying to steal land from Japan n/t EX500rider Dec 2013 #143

Right, it's really nothing to do with us. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #146

That seems to be what is in dispute, isn't it? nt bemildred Dec 2013 #147

Of course I blame the US MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #82

"Reckless"? Last Friday the US, Japan, and every other nation on earth could TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #87

"We do it. We do it a lot.' EX500rider Nov 2013 #83

Straw man: "We intimidate and or attack our neighbors into giving up their territory?" bemildred Nov 2013 #86

Xinjiang pangaia Nov 2013 #126

Those rocks mean economic control of a huge swath of the South China Sea hack89 Nov 2013 #13

Yes MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #14

We are bound by treaty to help defend both Japan and S. Korea. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #15

Exactly! nt paleotn Nov 2013 #21

We have mutual defense treaties with both S. Korea and Japan, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #16

Yes MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #36

Maybe you're not, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #89

Are you prepared for nuclear armed Japan and South Korea? hack89 Nov 2013 #17

Japan has hundreds of Tons of Plutonium PeoViejo Nov 2013 #27

Oh my the Iran MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #35

You might think the world needs another nuclear arms race hack89 Nov 2013 #38

Your MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #46

I rarely agree with that person but they are right here. Japan would go nuclear if they felt it stevenleser Nov 2013 #53

Japan and South Korea do not have nukes for only one reason hack89 Nov 2013 #54

"Your comments are extremely bizarre." EX500rider Nov 2013 #55

We are not escalating anything, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #90

No, that is not "the Iran argument" nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #72

Our economic interests in the region paleotn Nov 2013 #22

With all of our computers and crap being produced in China, they've got us by the short hairs and grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #29

So? MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #34

"Let them have what they want"... EX500rider Nov 2013 #57

What do we win? MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #81

What do we win by making a war less likely? EX500rider Nov 2013 #84

You don't stop a war by sending more MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #85

Yes you can.. EX500rider Nov 2013 #91

Oh good grief MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #94

The Obama Administration disagrees with you, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #95

The Obama admin disagrees with me? MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #96

Huh? Work for them? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #105

No you and people like you MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #107

Civilian airlines, not military. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #109

yes I do blame the usa MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #123

Oh course you blame the US for all the world's ill's. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #124

damn right MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #127

Prove you wrong? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #128

That's fine MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #129

Right....I want the US to help Japan.. EX500rider Nov 2013 #120

Then let WalMart and Exxon fight for their interests if they want. Scuba Nov 2013 #42

How well would we be able to wage a war in the East Pacific if we did not amandabeech Nov 2013 #65

"China would use its diesel boats to take down those big, fat, slow container ships" EX500rider Nov 2013 #117

Actually, I think that this is about the East China Sea, amandabeech Nov 2013 #62

You are right. Nt hack89 Nov 2013 #68

What an absurd construct. Everyone in leadership in the military at this point in time, MADem Nov 2013 #52

Then there is the oil and gas reputedly lying under the water amandabeech Nov 2013 #66

That is what the Chinese are after. They need more oil and gas for their economic expansion stevenleser Nov 2013 #73

Or, the Chinese could offer the highest prices for oil and gas produced in amandabeech Nov 2013 #80

They need to learn Spanish and start riding Maduro like a broke-down mule. MADem Nov 2013 #101

True, although I have to say I haven't heard of too many countries nationalizing Chinese assets stevenleser Nov 2013 #110

Yes, indeed. MADem Nov 2013 #115

Nice fantasy post. Betting on weird hypotheticals, are we? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #118

Drifting? Fantasy? You need to read the paper more. Your fantasies are the world's realities. MADem Nov 2013 #121

FFS! bitchkitty Dec 2013 #131

I beg your pardon? I'm not the one with the bizarre sig line supporting MADem Dec 2013 #132

You should change your handle bitchkitty Dec 2013 #134

Well, I'm not a supporter of that idiot, so that wouldn't make sense. MADem Dec 2013 #145

that will become a chicken game. Sand Wind Nov 2013 #18

We owe them money... They make all our stuff... Who's got the upper hand? grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #30

I don't think that it will come to the point where some will have to play the economic card. Sand Wind Nov 2013 #43

We do. We can get stuff other places and we could theoretically cancel the debt. Countries stevenleser Nov 2013 #50

We do. Their economy will collapse if we refuse to pay. Kaleva Nov 2013 #92

We do. We pay our bills, we service our debt. MADem Dec 2013 #133

Can we still build our war toys without their computers, smart phones, etc? grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #137

Wow, going a bit far afield there. MADem Dec 2013 #144

Hope you're right: Some U.S. "military parts imported from China" grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #149

Just because a supplier gets away with providing a substandard part, doesn't mean that this MUST BE. MADem Dec 2013 #151

Walmart doesn't want to piss off China. Maybe Walmart could send all the weapons from their Lint Head Nov 2013 #31

Compare the size of China to Japan. This is insanity. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2013 #37

They see themselves as the future (if not now) #1 superpower. This is an indication of how they stevenleser Nov 2013 #56

Exactly...as much as everyone thinks we are the evil empire... EX500rider Nov 2013 #60

It was reported after the recent Chinese leadership meeting, amandabeech Nov 2013 #67

Smart move for them.. EX500rider Nov 2013 #93

They were being tested Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2013 #59

This issue is the rallying cry for the right wing nationalists in all of these countries kristopher Nov 2013 #98

...including this one. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #119

No, it hasn't. Not yet at least. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #125

I've said it before...China will start WW3. jessie04 Dec 2013 #130

They don't need no stinking war nolabels Dec 2013 #141

WW3 is over. It was fought with debt, financing and means of production... and China won harun Dec 2013 #148

Classic 'Art of war' teaching: grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #150

I'm blaming China squarely for this fujiyama Dec 2013 #136

Fuck China warrprayer Dec 2013 #153