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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
24. That's a simplistic deployment of legalistic parsing
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:18 PM
Dec 2013

But I'll play.

The military installation is obviously a different entity that any of the other three examples you've employed.
Military instillation
Abortion clinic
Unidentified industrial facility
Unspecified "animal facility"

My words:

It is also a tool for drawing attention to institutionalized problems in the social system itself. I also reject your attempt to equate a privately owned medical facility with a national military instillation. I (and most others I think) see a difference in the degree to which each is able to wield the weight of an oppressive authority; and it is to act as a counterbalance to that unrestrained power which forms the rationale and justification for civil disobedience.


Are your unidentified industrial or animal facilities "institutionalized problems in the social system"?
Do they enjoy a privileged status that allows them "to wield the weight of an oppressive authority" that immunizes them against backlash for violating the social contract?

And finally, is the protest violent or nonviolent? If nonviolent, is it merely a visual exercise like picketing, a disruptive exercise like blocking access or show of force exercise where intimidation is implied?

All of these factors, and probably more, go into determining my view of any given situation.

It might interest you to know that I had the opportunity to spend about 2 hours with the Sister back around 1991 discussing her activities. I actually had some rather sharp disagreements with her, but I was also left with absolutely no doubt of her sincerity, good intent and willingness to pay the price for her beliefs.

She is a remarkable woman.
She faces sentencing on Jan. 28 - where is Pope Francis? bananas Dec 2013 #1
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for francis to say, let alone do, something meaningful with niyad Dec 2013 #13
Actually, breaking into a nuclear facility landed her in prison 1000words Dec 2013 #2
"As it should"? kristopher Dec 2013 #3
Exactly. blackspade Dec 2013 #5
I agree with her cause ... even applaud her actions. 1000words Dec 2013 #6
Really? kristopher Dec 2013 #7
Nope. Just someone who has seen the inside of a jail cell ... 1000words Dec 2013 #8
What was it you wrote? kristopher Dec 2013 #9
Two more words: 1000words Dec 2013 #11
maybe you should read the article before you make any more comments implying that she was niyad Dec 2013 #15
He never said she was stupid. Gore1FL Dec 2013 #18
I said "implied". and the whole tone of his response implied just that. niyad Dec 2013 #19
I guess it's interpretation n/t Gore1FL Dec 2013 #20
The point of civil disobedience is to be punished under the law jberryhill Dec 2013 #12
Not always. kristopher Dec 2013 #21
Ah, so... jberryhill Dec 2013 #23
That's a simplistic deployment of legalistic parsing kristopher Dec 2013 #24
Lots of people are sincere jberryhill Dec 2013 #25
What is the purpose of bringing abortion into this? kristopher Dec 2013 #26
Let's see if we can follow a line of discussion, shall we? jberryhill Dec 2013 #27
Sorry, but you're not following anything except your whims. kristopher Dec 2013 #28
Here's what you said jberryhill Dec 2013 #29
You're doing it again. kristopher Dec 2013 #30
Civil disobedience means she recognizes the disobedience and welcomes the punishment. Gore1FL Dec 2013 #17
"She welcomes the punishment"? kristopher Dec 2013 #22
A brave woman sticking to her principles blackspade Dec 2013 #4
I see a crime here. The crime of leaving a nuclear facility so poorly guarded that three civilians truthisfreedom Dec 2013 #10
. . this. . niyad Dec 2013 #14
Wish she could plead not guilty and I could be on the jury. I would press for not guilty. BlueJazz Dec 2013 #16
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