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jberryhill

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27. Let's see if we can follow a line of discussion, shall we?
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 11:18 PM
Dec 2013

The nice thing about a forum like this is that lines of discussion are neatly organized by actual graphic lines that can be followed.

1. Someone said that she is imprisoned as she "should" be.

2. You questioned why she "should" be imprisoned.

The answer to that is pretty simple. The POINT of civil disobedience is to do something illegal, get arrested, and then appeal to a sense of "why is this person in jail for having a deep moral conviction of some kind?"

You seem to believe one of the two following propositions:

1. Moral convictions with which I disagree are invalid.

2. People who engage in civil disobedience in the furtherance of causes should not be penalized, if I agree with the cause.

We could simply abandon enforcement of laws so long as the violators had a sincere moral conviction for doing so. That would have two effects:

1. People whose moral convictions I find odious - racists, homophobes, and various religionists - would be as annoying as hell.

2. The entire dynamic of civil disobedience would have no meaning. Again, the moral force of civil disobedience arises from the unconscionability of punishing someone whose actions arise from a "just" cause.

What you seem to have is an unerring ability to distinguish what is "right and just" from things which aren't. What follows from this is a sense that, so long as someone's definition of "right and just" falls within whatever you have decided it to be, then they should be immune from objective application of the law. In other words, every "no trespassing" sign has an invisible asterisk to the footnote which says "unless your sincere moral convictions dictate otherwise."

She faces sentencing on Jan. 28 - where is Pope Francis? bananas Dec 2013 #1
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for francis to say, let alone do, something meaningful with niyad Dec 2013 #13
Actually, breaking into a nuclear facility landed her in prison 1000words Dec 2013 #2
"As it should"? kristopher Dec 2013 #3
Exactly. blackspade Dec 2013 #5
I agree with her cause ... even applaud her actions. 1000words Dec 2013 #6
Really? kristopher Dec 2013 #7
Nope. Just someone who has seen the inside of a jail cell ... 1000words Dec 2013 #8
What was it you wrote? kristopher Dec 2013 #9
Two more words: 1000words Dec 2013 #11
maybe you should read the article before you make any more comments implying that she was niyad Dec 2013 #15
He never said she was stupid. Gore1FL Dec 2013 #18
I said "implied". and the whole tone of his response implied just that. niyad Dec 2013 #19
I guess it's interpretation n/t Gore1FL Dec 2013 #20
The point of civil disobedience is to be punished under the law jberryhill Dec 2013 #12
Not always. kristopher Dec 2013 #21
Ah, so... jberryhill Dec 2013 #23
That's a simplistic deployment of legalistic parsing kristopher Dec 2013 #24
Lots of people are sincere jberryhill Dec 2013 #25
What is the purpose of bringing abortion into this? kristopher Dec 2013 #26
Let's see if we can follow a line of discussion, shall we? jberryhill Dec 2013 #27
Sorry, but you're not following anything except your whims. kristopher Dec 2013 #28
Here's what you said jberryhill Dec 2013 #29
You're doing it again. kristopher Dec 2013 #30
Civil disobedience means she recognizes the disobedience and welcomes the punishment. Gore1FL Dec 2013 #17
"She welcomes the punishment"? kristopher Dec 2013 #22
A brave woman sticking to her principles blackspade Dec 2013 #4
I see a crime here. The crime of leaving a nuclear facility so poorly guarded that three civilians truthisfreedom Dec 2013 #10
. . this. . niyad Dec 2013 #14
Wish she could plead not guilty and I could be on the jury. I would press for not guilty. BlueJazz Dec 2013 #16
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