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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
30. You're doing it again.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 12:39 AM
Dec 2013

Last edited Tue Dec 17, 2013, 03:52 AM - Edit history (1)

Your conclusion doesn't follow from your evidence; it is nothing but a statement of your own opinion and values.

An 82 yo nun was imprisoned for harmless civil disobedience against a war machine the likes of which the world has never known. That is, and you may quote me, "wrong".

When 1000words expressed approval of the imprisonment it was an expression of values I do indeed disapprove of.

You have gone a step further and tried to analogize her act to a movement that assassinates physicians in pursuit of a form of religious zealotry incited and exploited by political demagogues. Leaving aside for a moment the obviously odious nature of that attempt, let's look at the way it relates to the nature of the relative power demonstrated within your example.

How may people have gone to jail in the antiabortion movement for acts on the level of what the 82 y/o nun was engaged in?

To make the analogy even remotely similar you'll need to incorporate the fiction that the 82 y/o nun is part of a movement that has been promoting and abetting the assassination of key actors in the structure of the nuclear weapons systems - the best choice probably being bomber pilots, launch control officers in silos, or captians of nuclear equipped naval vessels.

If activity such as that surrounding the assassinations of abortion doctors were part of the picture for the activities against the nuclear facilities, how would the response by authority be similar and different from that which the antiabortion protestors were subject to?

Denying that society has norms that we use to characterize actions as bad and good isn't going to get you very far.

As for the "they believe they are good people too" reasoning goes, it is generally a statement I agree with; unfortunately however it applies equally to people whose behavior is considered absolutely reprehensible by 99.99999999999999 of the people.

I'm absolutely certain that the ranks of murderers, rapists, child molesters and all sorts of other monsters are filled with people who think they are "good people".

When provide an accounting of the acts involved I am able to recognize the difference between evil people who think they are good and good people who are displaying values I disagree with.


She faces sentencing on Jan. 28 - where is Pope Francis? bananas Dec 2013 #1
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for francis to say, let alone do, something meaningful with niyad Dec 2013 #13
Actually, breaking into a nuclear facility landed her in prison 1000words Dec 2013 #2
"As it should"? kristopher Dec 2013 #3
Exactly. blackspade Dec 2013 #5
I agree with her cause ... even applaud her actions. 1000words Dec 2013 #6
Really? kristopher Dec 2013 #7
Nope. Just someone who has seen the inside of a jail cell ... 1000words Dec 2013 #8
What was it you wrote? kristopher Dec 2013 #9
Two more words: 1000words Dec 2013 #11
maybe you should read the article before you make any more comments implying that she was niyad Dec 2013 #15
He never said she was stupid. Gore1FL Dec 2013 #18
I said "implied". and the whole tone of his response implied just that. niyad Dec 2013 #19
I guess it's interpretation n/t Gore1FL Dec 2013 #20
The point of civil disobedience is to be punished under the law jberryhill Dec 2013 #12
Not always. kristopher Dec 2013 #21
Ah, so... jberryhill Dec 2013 #23
That's a simplistic deployment of legalistic parsing kristopher Dec 2013 #24
Lots of people are sincere jberryhill Dec 2013 #25
What is the purpose of bringing abortion into this? kristopher Dec 2013 #26
Let's see if we can follow a line of discussion, shall we? jberryhill Dec 2013 #27
Sorry, but you're not following anything except your whims. kristopher Dec 2013 #28
Here's what you said jberryhill Dec 2013 #29
You're doing it again. kristopher Dec 2013 #30
Civil disobedience means she recognizes the disobedience and welcomes the punishment. Gore1FL Dec 2013 #17
"She welcomes the punishment"? kristopher Dec 2013 #22
A brave woman sticking to her principles blackspade Dec 2013 #4
I see a crime here. The crime of leaving a nuclear facility so poorly guarded that three civilians truthisfreedom Dec 2013 #10
. . this. . niyad Dec 2013 #14
Wish she could plead not guilty and I could be on the jury. I would press for not guilty. BlueJazz Dec 2013 #16
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