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In reply to the discussion: Canada Supreme Court Strikes Down All Current Restrictions on Prostitution [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)34. Sorry, that dog won't hunt anywmore. The opposite is true.
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2012/05/201251472437903283.html
When prostitution and pimping was legalised in the Netherlands in 2000, the hope was that it would put an end to child exploitation, health hazards and back-street prostitution.
But 12 years later, Amsterdam, the country's largest city, has become Europe's second-largest human trafficking hub.
And, surprisingly, Dutch-born women and children rank first among trafficking victims - ahead of Bulgarians and Nigerians who rank second and third.
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The authorities, including the Office of the Dutch Rapporteur on Human Trafficking, attribute this exploitation of Dutch women to a new brand of pimp - so-called 'Lover Boys'.
'Lover Boys' are said by experts to be distinct from Dutch pimps, who would traditionally pick up poor, young girls arriving in Amsterdam from the provinces in search of work and lure them into prostitution.
This new brand of pimp emerged over the past 20 years or so when this niche market, once dominated by Dutch men, was taken over by second- and third-generation immigrants.
Police and social workers largely point the finger of blame at predominantly Muslim Dutch-Moroccans and mainly Christian Dutch-Antilleans.
Unlike international traffickers who work across borders, these pimps are believed to operate either alone or in small localised gangs. They use promises of love, romance and even marriage to win the trust of young girls who they then trick into working as prostitutes. Dutch police and social workers often refer to it as 'brainwashing'.
But because pimping is legal in the Netherlands, it is easy for 'Lover Boys' to operate below the radar
But 12 years later, Amsterdam, the country's largest city, has become Europe's second-largest human trafficking hub.
And, surprisingly, Dutch-born women and children rank first among trafficking victims - ahead of Bulgarians and Nigerians who rank second and third.
...
The authorities, including the Office of the Dutch Rapporteur on Human Trafficking, attribute this exploitation of Dutch women to a new brand of pimp - so-called 'Lover Boys'.
'Lover Boys' are said by experts to be distinct from Dutch pimps, who would traditionally pick up poor, young girls arriving in Amsterdam from the provinces in search of work and lure them into prostitution.
This new brand of pimp emerged over the past 20 years or so when this niche market, once dominated by Dutch men, was taken over by second- and third-generation immigrants.
Police and social workers largely point the finger of blame at predominantly Muslim Dutch-Moroccans and mainly Christian Dutch-Antilleans.
Unlike international traffickers who work across borders, these pimps are believed to operate either alone or in small localised gangs. They use promises of love, romance and even marriage to win the trust of young girls who they then trick into working as prostitutes. Dutch police and social workers often refer to it as 'brainwashing'.
But because pimping is legal in the Netherlands, it is easy for 'Lover Boys' to operate below the radar
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Canada Supreme Court Strikes Down All Current Restrictions on Prostitution [View all]
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
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My hit on it is that they want a rational regulated system. Start from scratch come next year
Tom Rinaldo
Dec 2013
#33
Well, there's also the "prostitution inevitably leads to trafficking" argument
Recursion
Dec 2013
#6
So with unionization, how do you address seniority rights in an industry when a consumer
24601
Dec 2013
#90
I don't think allowing prostitutes to hire bodyguards is going to dramatically increase harm
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#55
Congrats, Canada, on your status as a sanctuary for pimps and sex traffickers.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#13
Yes I read the article. Pimping is legal in Canada now. So is recruiting women for prostitution.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#15
Oh dear, we must protect our fragile womenfolk from being recruited by these sly men
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#17
The study you cited has nothing to do with legal sex-workers getting more rights to protection
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#68
It does have to do with the safety of sex workers in general, and the deterioration of that safety
Squinch
Dec 2013
#69
You do understand prostitution was already legal? Now they may get to hire bodyguards and drivers
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#70
Some aspects of prostitution were legal. Other aspects were not. The possibility as a result of
Squinch
Dec 2013
#71
No. Prostitution was legal. A prostitute hiring a guard was illegal. A prostitute having a safe...
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#72
"“These appeals and the cross-appeals are not about whether prostitution should be legal or not.
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
#19
one-sided? they were wrong becaues they didn't provide the "pimps are great" perspective? nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#50
Are you even trying to form an intelligent argument at this point, or do you honestly
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#76
Yes, you're inventing a fantasy world where prostitution is just like any other
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#47
One doesn't buy sex. Sex is an act, not a product. The woman's body is the product.
Squinch
Dec 2013
#83
No. You buy the body for the period of time you use it. You may or may not choose to have
Squinch
Dec 2013
#85
Well, that's the male entitlement view of things. Defend the pigs if you must.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#87
I know some girls and guys who rather like the idea of being whipped for someone's enjoyment.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#96
But as has been argued here often, it often is not consenting adults, and the buyers don't
Squinch
Dec 2013
#102
Tell me, do you really think legalization would lead to more trafficking and sexual slavery?
Kurska
Dec 2013
#105
Gee, you think maybe that REPORTED trafficking increases because of increased visibility?
Kurska
Dec 2013
#119
Yes, I did read it. And their conclusion was that the net effect is a "larger reported
Squinch
Dec 2013
#122
It seems to me you think that nobody has the right to be tortured, even if they want to be.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#111
The length of time that prostitution has existed is often cited, but it really isn't
Squinch
Dec 2013
#101
And does including both pronouns change any of the arguments? As I said, no one is denying
Squinch
Dec 2013
#114
It drastically effects the argument if that argument is prostitution damages women's rights.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#115
My argument, and the argument of the multi-nation studies I have cited, is that legalization
Squinch
Dec 2013
#117
Honestly, I meant to say relegate to the shadow, I was rather tired from a long day.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#79
Funny, the Canadian SC did what you want, ending all regulation of prostitution.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#48
You know, I've mentioned I want prostitution to be regulated how many times to you?
Kurska
Dec 2013
#78
You are peddling misandrist bullshit. The vast majority of men don't pay for sex.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#88
My lord, apparently thinking both men AND women should be free to sell sex is misogynistic.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#92
"Pimping is legal in Canada now." no actually, you didn't read the article if you believe that n/t
Kurska
Dec 2013
#40
Good. Too many people want to stick their noses into consenting adults' sex lives (nt)
Nye Bevan
Dec 2013
#58
i think its more about others having more fun, honestly if two people come to an agreement
loli phabay
Dec 2013
#107
Here is the Actual Opinion, First it acknowledges that Prostitution is NOT illegal in Canada
happyslug
Dec 2013
#120