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90. So with unionization, how do you address seniority rights in an industry when a consumer

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Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:39 PM

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wants a less-senior worker?

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Canada Supreme Court Strikes Down All Current Restrictions on Prostitution [View all] Hissyspit Dec 2013 OP

Agree/Disagree RandySF Dec 2013 #1

I agree with you AngryAmish Dec 2013 #8

My hit on it is that they want a rational regulated system. Start from scratch come next year Tom Rinaldo Dec 2013 #33

Wow, including street solicitation? Recursion Dec 2013 #2

I believe the general message was... gcomeau Dec 2013 #36

Link Recursion Dec 2013 #3

Thanks. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #10

Spain allows street walking musiclawyer Dec 2013 #4

Que: The Sexually Frustrated Indignant Bible Thumpers FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #5

Well, there's also the "prostitution inevitably leads to trafficking" argument Recursion Dec 2013 #6

Which has little to do with legalization Major Nikon Dec 2013 #9

Also far less "Drug Addicted" prostitutes FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #12

Good. Now unionise them, make sure there are strong laws to protect sex workers idwiyo Dec 2013 #7

So with unionization, how do you address seniority rights in an industry when a consumer 24601 Dec 2013 #90

I hope this leads to tangible harm reduction NoOneMan Dec 2013 #11

Seems unlikely: Squinch Dec 2013 #54

I don't think allowing prostitutes to hire bodyguards is going to dramatically increase harm NoOneMan Dec 2013 #55

Where do you get that this is about being able to hire bodyguards? Squinch Dec 2013 #56

From the facts surrounding this case NoOneMan Dec 2013 #59

There are a few other issues involved. Squinch Dec 2013 #60

Such as? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #63

Congrats, Canada, on your status as a sanctuary for pimps and sex traffickers. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #13

Did you read the article? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #14

Yes I read the article. Pimping is legal in Canada now. So is recruiting women for prostitution. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #15

Oh dear, we must protect our fragile womenfolk from being recruited by these sly men NoOneMan Dec 2013 #17

How many countries can you name where pimping is legal? geek tragedy Dec 2013 #18

Pimps prevail in prohibition NoOneMan Dec 2013 #21

pimps are very good at hiding their activities from police/regulators geek tragedy Dec 2013 #25

They have to be when sex trafficking is illegal! NoOneMan Dec 2013 #27

But as the studies I cited above show, that simply isn't true. Squinch Dec 2013 #67

The study you cited has nothing to do with legal sex-workers getting more rights to protection NoOneMan Dec 2013 #68

It does have to do with the safety of sex workers in general, and the deterioration of that safety Squinch Dec 2013 #69

You do understand prostitution was already legal? Now they may get to hire bodyguards and drivers NoOneMan Dec 2013 #70

Some aspects of prostitution were legal. Other aspects were not. The possibility as a result of Squinch Dec 2013 #71

No. Prostitution was legal. A prostitute hiring a guard was illegal. A prostitute having a safe... NoOneMan Dec 2013 #72

And again, this ruling is about a lot more than hiring bodyguards. Squinch Dec 2013 #73

Unfortunately, there will always be those... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #98

"“These appeals and the cross-appeals are not about whether prostitution should be legal or not. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #19

The laws against procuring and solicitation got nuked. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #20

Not true Bradical79 Dec 2013 #22

yeah good luck with that--once you allow other people to make money geek tragedy Dec 2013 #23

I dont see that happening Bradical79 Dec 2013 #24

what makes you think it wouldn't happen? nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #26

There's no reason to think it would Bradical79 Dec 2013 #28

Are you familiar with how "protection" rackets work? geek tragedy Dec 2013 #32

"pimping and exploitation are inevitable" FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #29

Sorry, that dog won't hunt anywmore. The opposite is true. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #34

Its an "Opinion Piece" not a study FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #42

you're disputing the facts cited inthe piece? nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #45

One side opinion pieces are not studies FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #49

one-sided? they were wrong becaues they didn't provide the "pimps are great" perspective? nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #50

Expand your mind - here is a REAL Study FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #51

If you wipe the smug out of your eyes, you'll geek tragedy Dec 2013 #52

Oh Gawd - a Bush era Faith Based .... FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #75

Are you even trying to form an intelligent argument at this point, or do you honestly geek tragedy Dec 2013 #76

You must be part of the Karen Hughes / Abstinence Only Fan Club FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #77

Wrong. Read the article: Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #30

as I've noted elsewhere, it's not possible to allow people to profit geek tragedy Dec 2013 #31

Is this the new meme from those opposed to prostitution? Kurska Dec 2013 #41

Yes, you're inventing a fantasy world where prostitution is just like any other geek tragedy Dec 2013 #47

Prostitution could never be such when its illegal NoOneMan Dec 2013 #57

Men who buy sex are scum? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #66

Yes, scum. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #74

They buy sex, because they want sex. Kurska Dec 2013 #81

One doesn't buy sex. Sex is an act, not a product. The woman's body is the product. Squinch Dec 2013 #83

I'm sorry that is objectively wrong. Kurska Dec 2013 #84

No. You buy the body for the period of time you use it. You may or may not choose to have Squinch Dec 2013 #85

Either you're wrong or it doesn't matter, honestly. Kurska Dec 2013 #86

I understand what you are saying, but Squinch Dec 2013 #100

Well, that's the male entitlement view of things. Defend the pigs if you must. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #87

Reality isn't an entitlement. Kurska Dec 2013 #89

Ya right, "I view prostitutes as professionals worthy of respect" geek tragedy Dec 2013 #91

Actually I do. Kurska Dec 2013 #94

If a man wants to watch a woman get waterboarded and masturbate geek tragedy Dec 2013 #95

I know some girls and guys who rather like the idea of being whipped for someone's enjoyment. Kurska Dec 2013 #96

But as has been argued here often, it often is not consenting adults, and the buyers don't Squinch Dec 2013 #102

Tell me, do you really think legalization would lead to more trafficking and sexual slavery? Kurska Dec 2013 #105

Again, as I posted upthread: Squinch Dec 2013 #116

Gee, you think maybe that REPORTED trafficking increases because of increased visibility? Kurska Dec 2013 #119

Yes, I did read it. And their conclusion was that the net effect is a "larger reported Squinch Dec 2013 #122

I don't think rich people should be able to pay poor people geek tragedy Dec 2013 #108

It seems to me you think that nobody has the right to be tortured, even if they want to be. Kurska Dec 2013 #111

Your stereotyping and ignorance of this is staggering. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #104

The length of time that prostitution has existed is often cited, but it really isn't Squinch Dec 2013 #101

Why then does this argument seem to be focused exclusively on women? Kurska Dec 2013 #112

And does including both pronouns change any of the arguments? As I said, no one is denying Squinch Dec 2013 #114

It drastically effects the argument if that argument is prostitution damages women's rights. Kurska Dec 2013 #115

My argument, and the argument of the multi-nation studies I have cited, is that legalization Squinch Dec 2013 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Kurska Dec 2013 #118

Honestly, I meant to say relegate to the shadow, I was rather tired from a long day. Kurska Dec 2013 #79

Apparently didn't read it very well. gcomeau Dec 2013 #37

yes, a law is pronounced dead but alive, until they figure out geek tragedy Dec 2013 #38

And nothing would be legal unless they do nothing in an entire year Kurska Dec 2013 #43

I read it. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #44

Oy vey, nothing about the status quo has changed Kurska Dec 2013 #46

Funny, the Canadian SC did what you want, ending all regulation of prostitution. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #48

FYI, this same thing happened to federal cannabis laws a few years ago NoOneMan Dec 2013 #61

that ruling was reversed and the law upheld nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #62

Ah, I see from Feb 2013 NoOneMan Dec 2013 #64

You know, I've mentioned I want prostitution to be regulated how many times to you? Kurska Dec 2013 #78

Decriminalize it for the sellers, devote meaningful geek tragedy Dec 2013 #80

"Reduce demand through both punitive and educational/outreach efforts" Kurska Dec 2013 #82

You are peddling misandrist bullshit. The vast majority of men don't pay for sex. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #88

My lord, apparently thinking both men AND women should be free to sell sex is misogynistic. Kurska Dec 2013 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Dec 2013 #93

Nonsense. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #121

"Pimping is legal in Canada now." no actually, you didn't read the article if you believe that n/t Kurska Dec 2013 #40

hm NoOneMan Dec 2013 #16

I'm not sure what a "bawdy-house" is but it sounds fun :) arcane1 Dec 2013 #35

Bawdy House is an older English term for a brothel Xithras Dec 2013 #39

virginia still has bawdy house laws on the books. loli phabay Dec 2013 #106

The Conservative government, Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2013 #53

Good. Too many people want to stick their noses into consenting adults' sex lives (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #58

+1 NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #99

Oh Canada! mmonk Dec 2013 #65

This will fire up the anti-sex crowds... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #97

Also the anti-trafficking crowds... Squinch Dec 2013 #103

i think its more about others having more fun, honestly if two people come to an agreement loli phabay Dec 2013 #107

Agreed. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #113

Kick (nt) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #109

About time modern societes make progress Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #110

Here is the Actual Opinion, First it acknowledges that Prostitution is NOT illegal in Canada happyslug Dec 2013 #120