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105. Tell me, do you really think legalization would lead to more trafficking and sexual slavery?

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:34 PM

Dec 2013

Lets say there was a law in place that said that prostitutes could freely operate in specially designated brothels (that have strict health and safety standards, along with inspections) that are licensed to operate. Every prostitute would also be licensed and registered as a professional sex worker. In such a system, where on earth is there any room for trafficking? What brothel would risk their entire business to engage in highly illegal activity for minimal benefit? I argue that legalization and effective regulation would be the best solution to the very problem you're saying should prevent us from legalizing it.

Your argument is a red herring to me. You oppose legalization, because right now many prostitutes are forced to do it against their will? This sounds nearly identical to the argument some people make about drug legalization saying we shouldn't legalize drugs, because so many bad people profit from them. What that ignores is that if you legalized it you'd be forcing the criminal element out of the business.

I have no need for prostitutes. I am in a loving and caring relationship with another man. The reason I support legalization and regulation is that I believe it would be the cure for so many of the horrible things that are currently involved in prostitution.

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Canada Supreme Court Strikes Down All Current Restrictions on Prostitution [View all] Hissyspit Dec 2013 OP

Agree/Disagree RandySF Dec 2013 #1

I agree with you AngryAmish Dec 2013 #8

My hit on it is that they want a rational regulated system. Start from scratch come next year Tom Rinaldo Dec 2013 #33

Wow, including street solicitation? Recursion Dec 2013 #2

I believe the general message was... gcomeau Dec 2013 #36

Link Recursion Dec 2013 #3

Thanks. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #10

Spain allows street walking musiclawyer Dec 2013 #4

Que: The Sexually Frustrated Indignant Bible Thumpers FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #5

Well, there's also the "prostitution inevitably leads to trafficking" argument Recursion Dec 2013 #6

Which has little to do with legalization Major Nikon Dec 2013 #9

Also far less "Drug Addicted" prostitutes FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #12

Good. Now unionise them, make sure there are strong laws to protect sex workers idwiyo Dec 2013 #7

So with unionization, how do you address seniority rights in an industry when a consumer 24601 Dec 2013 #90

I hope this leads to tangible harm reduction NoOneMan Dec 2013 #11

Seems unlikely: Squinch Dec 2013 #54

I don't think allowing prostitutes to hire bodyguards is going to dramatically increase harm NoOneMan Dec 2013 #55

Where do you get that this is about being able to hire bodyguards? Squinch Dec 2013 #56

From the facts surrounding this case NoOneMan Dec 2013 #59

There are a few other issues involved. Squinch Dec 2013 #60

Such as? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #63

Congrats, Canada, on your status as a sanctuary for pimps and sex traffickers. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #13

Did you read the article? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #14

Yes I read the article. Pimping is legal in Canada now. So is recruiting women for prostitution. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #15

Oh dear, we must protect our fragile womenfolk from being recruited by these sly men NoOneMan Dec 2013 #17

How many countries can you name where pimping is legal? geek tragedy Dec 2013 #18

Pimps prevail in prohibition NoOneMan Dec 2013 #21

pimps are very good at hiding their activities from police/regulators geek tragedy Dec 2013 #25

They have to be when sex trafficking is illegal! NoOneMan Dec 2013 #27

But as the studies I cited above show, that simply isn't true. Squinch Dec 2013 #67

The study you cited has nothing to do with legal sex-workers getting more rights to protection NoOneMan Dec 2013 #68

It does have to do with the safety of sex workers in general, and the deterioration of that safety Squinch Dec 2013 #69

You do understand prostitution was already legal? Now they may get to hire bodyguards and drivers NoOneMan Dec 2013 #70

Some aspects of prostitution were legal. Other aspects were not. The possibility as a result of Squinch Dec 2013 #71

No. Prostitution was legal. A prostitute hiring a guard was illegal. A prostitute having a safe... NoOneMan Dec 2013 #72

And again, this ruling is about a lot more than hiring bodyguards. Squinch Dec 2013 #73

Unfortunately, there will always be those... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #98

"“These appeals and the cross-appeals are not about whether prostitution should be legal or not. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #19

The laws against procuring and solicitation got nuked. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #20

Not true Bradical79 Dec 2013 #22

yeah good luck with that--once you allow other people to make money geek tragedy Dec 2013 #23

I dont see that happening Bradical79 Dec 2013 #24

what makes you think it wouldn't happen? nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #26

There's no reason to think it would Bradical79 Dec 2013 #28

Are you familiar with how "protection" rackets work? geek tragedy Dec 2013 #32

"pimping and exploitation are inevitable" FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #29

Sorry, that dog won't hunt anywmore. The opposite is true. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #34

Its an "Opinion Piece" not a study FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #42

you're disputing the facts cited inthe piece? nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #45

One side opinion pieces are not studies FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #49

one-sided? they were wrong becaues they didn't provide the "pimps are great" perspective? nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #50

Expand your mind - here is a REAL Study FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #51

If you wipe the smug out of your eyes, you'll geek tragedy Dec 2013 #52

Oh Gawd - a Bush era Faith Based .... FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #75

Are you even trying to form an intelligent argument at this point, or do you honestly geek tragedy Dec 2013 #76

You must be part of the Karen Hughes / Abstinence Only Fan Club FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #77

Wrong. Read the article: Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #30

as I've noted elsewhere, it's not possible to allow people to profit geek tragedy Dec 2013 #31

Is this the new meme from those opposed to prostitution? Kurska Dec 2013 #41

Yes, you're inventing a fantasy world where prostitution is just like any other geek tragedy Dec 2013 #47

Prostitution could never be such when its illegal NoOneMan Dec 2013 #57

Men who buy sex are scum? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #66

Yes, scum. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #74

They buy sex, because they want sex. Kurska Dec 2013 #81

One doesn't buy sex. Sex is an act, not a product. The woman's body is the product. Squinch Dec 2013 #83

I'm sorry that is objectively wrong. Kurska Dec 2013 #84

No. You buy the body for the period of time you use it. You may or may not choose to have Squinch Dec 2013 #85

Either you're wrong or it doesn't matter, honestly. Kurska Dec 2013 #86

I understand what you are saying, but Squinch Dec 2013 #100

Well, that's the male entitlement view of things. Defend the pigs if you must. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #87

Reality isn't an entitlement. Kurska Dec 2013 #89

Ya right, "I view prostitutes as professionals worthy of respect" geek tragedy Dec 2013 #91

Actually I do. Kurska Dec 2013 #94

If a man wants to watch a woman get waterboarded and masturbate geek tragedy Dec 2013 #95

I know some girls and guys who rather like the idea of being whipped for someone's enjoyment. Kurska Dec 2013 #96

But as has been argued here often, it often is not consenting adults, and the buyers don't Squinch Dec 2013 #102

Tell me, do you really think legalization would lead to more trafficking and sexual slavery? Kurska Dec 2013 #105

Again, as I posted upthread: Squinch Dec 2013 #116

Gee, you think maybe that REPORTED trafficking increases because of increased visibility? Kurska Dec 2013 #119

Yes, I did read it. And their conclusion was that the net effect is a "larger reported Squinch Dec 2013 #122

I don't think rich people should be able to pay poor people geek tragedy Dec 2013 #108

It seems to me you think that nobody has the right to be tortured, even if they want to be. Kurska Dec 2013 #111

Your stereotyping and ignorance of this is staggering. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #104

The length of time that prostitution has existed is often cited, but it really isn't Squinch Dec 2013 #101

Why then does this argument seem to be focused exclusively on women? Kurska Dec 2013 #112

And does including both pronouns change any of the arguments? As I said, no one is denying Squinch Dec 2013 #114

It drastically effects the argument if that argument is prostitution damages women's rights. Kurska Dec 2013 #115

My argument, and the argument of the multi-nation studies I have cited, is that legalization Squinch Dec 2013 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Kurska Dec 2013 #118

Honestly, I meant to say relegate to the shadow, I was rather tired from a long day. Kurska Dec 2013 #79

Apparently didn't read it very well. gcomeau Dec 2013 #37

yes, a law is pronounced dead but alive, until they figure out geek tragedy Dec 2013 #38

And nothing would be legal unless they do nothing in an entire year Kurska Dec 2013 #43

I read it. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #44

Oy vey, nothing about the status quo has changed Kurska Dec 2013 #46

Funny, the Canadian SC did what you want, ending all regulation of prostitution. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #48

FYI, this same thing happened to federal cannabis laws a few years ago NoOneMan Dec 2013 #61

that ruling was reversed and the law upheld nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #62

Ah, I see from Feb 2013 NoOneMan Dec 2013 #64

You know, I've mentioned I want prostitution to be regulated how many times to you? Kurska Dec 2013 #78

Decriminalize it for the sellers, devote meaningful geek tragedy Dec 2013 #80

"Reduce demand through both punitive and educational/outreach efforts" Kurska Dec 2013 #82

You are peddling misandrist bullshit. The vast majority of men don't pay for sex. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #88

My lord, apparently thinking both men AND women should be free to sell sex is misogynistic. Kurska Dec 2013 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Dec 2013 #93

Nonsense. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #121

"Pimping is legal in Canada now." no actually, you didn't read the article if you believe that n/t Kurska Dec 2013 #40

hm NoOneMan Dec 2013 #16

I'm not sure what a "bawdy-house" is but it sounds fun :) arcane1 Dec 2013 #35

Bawdy House is an older English term for a brothel Xithras Dec 2013 #39

virginia still has bawdy house laws on the books. loli phabay Dec 2013 #106

The Conservative government, Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2013 #53

Good. Too many people want to stick their noses into consenting adults' sex lives (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #58

+1 NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #99

Oh Canada! mmonk Dec 2013 #65

This will fire up the anti-sex crowds... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #97

Also the anti-trafficking crowds... Squinch Dec 2013 #103

i think its more about others having more fun, honestly if two people come to an agreement loli phabay Dec 2013 #107

Agreed. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #113

Kick (nt) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #109

About time modern societes make progress Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #110

Here is the Actual Opinion, First it acknowledges that Prostitution is NOT illegal in Canada happyslug Dec 2013 #120