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In reply to the discussion: Canada Supreme Court Strikes Down All Current Restrictions on Prostitution [View all]Squinch
(59,183 posts)116. Again, as I posted upthread:
Nicklas Jakobsson, PhD, Research Fellow at Norwegian Social Research (NOVA), and Andreas Kotsadam, PhD, Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Oslo, Norway, stated in their Feb. 2013 study titled "The Law and Economics of International Sex Slavery: Prostitution Laws and Trafficking for Sexual Exploitation, published in the European Journal of Law and Economics:
"Using two recent sources of European cross country data we show that [i]trafficking of persons for commercial sexual exploitation... is least prevalent in countries where prostitution is illegal, most prevalent in countries where prostitution is legalized, and in between in those countries where prostitution is legal but procuring illegal."
....and....
Seo-Young Cho, Assistant Professor of Empirical Institutional Economics at Philipps-University of Marburg (Germany), Axel Dreher, Professor of International and Development Politics at Heidelberg University, Germany, and Eric Neumayer, Professor of Environment and Development at the London School of Economics and Political Science, UK, wrote in their Mar. 2013 paper for World Development titled "Does Legalized Prostitution Increase Human Trafficking":
"The scale effect of legalized prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market, increasing human trafficking, while the substitution effect reduces demand for trafficked women as legal prostitutes are favored over trafficked ones. Our empirical analysis for a cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution effect. On average, countries where prostitution is legal experience larger reported human trafficking inflows..."
So yes. I really do think that legalization will increase trafficking. And cross European studies, and studies of multiple countries supports that assertion.
"Using two recent sources of European cross country data we show that [i]trafficking of persons for commercial sexual exploitation... is least prevalent in countries where prostitution is illegal, most prevalent in countries where prostitution is legalized, and in between in those countries where prostitution is legal but procuring illegal."
....and....
Seo-Young Cho, Assistant Professor of Empirical Institutional Economics at Philipps-University of Marburg (Germany), Axel Dreher, Professor of International and Development Politics at Heidelberg University, Germany, and Eric Neumayer, Professor of Environment and Development at the London School of Economics and Political Science, UK, wrote in their Mar. 2013 paper for World Development titled "Does Legalized Prostitution Increase Human Trafficking":
"The scale effect of legalized prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market, increasing human trafficking, while the substitution effect reduces demand for trafficked women as legal prostitutes are favored over trafficked ones. Our empirical analysis for a cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution effect. On average, countries where prostitution is legal experience larger reported human trafficking inflows..."
So yes. I really do think that legalization will increase trafficking. And cross European studies, and studies of multiple countries supports that assertion.
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Canada Supreme Court Strikes Down All Current Restrictions on Prostitution [View all]
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
OP
My hit on it is that they want a rational regulated system. Start from scratch come next year
Tom Rinaldo
Dec 2013
#33
Well, there's also the "prostitution inevitably leads to trafficking" argument
Recursion
Dec 2013
#6
So with unionization, how do you address seniority rights in an industry when a consumer
24601
Dec 2013
#90
I don't think allowing prostitutes to hire bodyguards is going to dramatically increase harm
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#55
Congrats, Canada, on your status as a sanctuary for pimps and sex traffickers.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#13
Yes I read the article. Pimping is legal in Canada now. So is recruiting women for prostitution.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#15
Oh dear, we must protect our fragile womenfolk from being recruited by these sly men
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#17
The study you cited has nothing to do with legal sex-workers getting more rights to protection
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#68
It does have to do with the safety of sex workers in general, and the deterioration of that safety
Squinch
Dec 2013
#69
You do understand prostitution was already legal? Now they may get to hire bodyguards and drivers
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#70
Some aspects of prostitution were legal. Other aspects were not. The possibility as a result of
Squinch
Dec 2013
#71
No. Prostitution was legal. A prostitute hiring a guard was illegal. A prostitute having a safe...
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#72
"“These appeals and the cross-appeals are not about whether prostitution should be legal or not.
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
#19
one-sided? they were wrong becaues they didn't provide the "pimps are great" perspective? nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#50
Are you even trying to form an intelligent argument at this point, or do you honestly
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#76
Yes, you're inventing a fantasy world where prostitution is just like any other
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#47
One doesn't buy sex. Sex is an act, not a product. The woman's body is the product.
Squinch
Dec 2013
#83
No. You buy the body for the period of time you use it. You may or may not choose to have
Squinch
Dec 2013
#85
Well, that's the male entitlement view of things. Defend the pigs if you must.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#87
I know some girls and guys who rather like the idea of being whipped for someone's enjoyment.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#96
But as has been argued here often, it often is not consenting adults, and the buyers don't
Squinch
Dec 2013
#102
Tell me, do you really think legalization would lead to more trafficking and sexual slavery?
Kurska
Dec 2013
#105
Gee, you think maybe that REPORTED trafficking increases because of increased visibility?
Kurska
Dec 2013
#119
Yes, I did read it. And their conclusion was that the net effect is a "larger reported
Squinch
Dec 2013
#122
It seems to me you think that nobody has the right to be tortured, even if they want to be.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#111
The length of time that prostitution has existed is often cited, but it really isn't
Squinch
Dec 2013
#101
And does including both pronouns change any of the arguments? As I said, no one is denying
Squinch
Dec 2013
#114
It drastically effects the argument if that argument is prostitution damages women's rights.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#115
My argument, and the argument of the multi-nation studies I have cited, is that legalization
Squinch
Dec 2013
#117
Honestly, I meant to say relegate to the shadow, I was rather tired from a long day.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#79
Funny, the Canadian SC did what you want, ending all regulation of prostitution.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#48
You know, I've mentioned I want prostitution to be regulated how many times to you?
Kurska
Dec 2013
#78
You are peddling misandrist bullshit. The vast majority of men don't pay for sex.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#88
My lord, apparently thinking both men AND women should be free to sell sex is misogynistic.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#92
"Pimping is legal in Canada now." no actually, you didn't read the article if you believe that n/t
Kurska
Dec 2013
#40
Good. Too many people want to stick their noses into consenting adults' sex lives (nt)
Nye Bevan
Dec 2013
#58
i think its more about others having more fun, honestly if two people come to an agreement
loli phabay
Dec 2013
#107
Here is the Actual Opinion, First it acknowledges that Prostitution is NOT illegal in Canada
happyslug
Dec 2013
#120