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In reply to the discussion: Canada Supreme Court Strikes Down All Current Restrictions on Prostitution [View all]happyslug
(14,779 posts)120. Here is the Actual Opinion, First it acknowledges that Prostitution is NOT illegal in Canada
http://scc-csc.lexum.com/decisia-scc-csc/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/13389/index.do
First thing the court notes is that it is NOT illegal to sell sex for money i.e. Prostitution is LEGAL in Canada.
The judgment of the Court was delivered by
The Chief Justice
[1] It is not a crime in Canada to sell sex for money. However, it is a crime to keep a bawdy-house, to live on the avails of prostitution or to communicate in public with respect to a proposed act of prostitution. It is argued that these restrictions on prostitution put the safety and lives of prostitutes at risk, and are therefore unconstitutional.
[2] These appeals and the cross-appeal are not about whether prostitution should be legal or not. They are about whether the laws Parliament has enacted on how prostitution may be carried out pass constitutional muster. I conclude that they do not. I would therefore make a suspended declaration of invalidity, returning the question of how to deal with prostitution to Parliament.
However, prostitution itself is not illegal. It is not against the law to exchange sex for money. Under the existing regime, Parliament has confined lawful prostitution to two categories: street prostitution and out-calls where the prostitute goes out and meets the client at a designated location, such as the clients home. This reflects a policy choice on Parliaments part. Parliament is not precluded from imposing limits on where and how prostitution may be conducted, as long as it does so in a way that does not infringe the constitutional rights of prostitutes.
The Court held that its decision shall be suspended for one year:
On the one hand, immediate invalidity would leave prostitution totally unregulated while Parliament grapples with the complex and sensitive problem of how to deal with it. How prostitution is regulated is a matter of great public concern, and few countries leave it entirely unregulated. Whether immediate invalidity would pose a danger to the public or imperil the rule of law (the factors for suspension referred to in Schachter v. Canada, [1992] 2 S.C.R. 679) may be subject to debate. However, it is clear that moving abruptly from a situation where prostitution is regulated to a situation where it is entirely unregulated would be a matter of great concern to many Canadians.
[168] On the other hand, leaving the prohibitions against bawdy-houses, living on the avails of prostitution and public communication for purposes of prostitution in place in their present form leaves prostitutes at increased risk for the time of the suspension risks which violate their constitutional right to security of the person.
[169] The choice between suspending the declaration of invalidity and allowing it to take immediate effect is not an easy one. Neither alternative is without difficulty. However, considering all the interests at stake, I conclude that the declaration of invalidity should be suspended for one year.
In simple terms the court disliked HOW prostitution was regulated NOT that it was illegal. Basically the Canadian Parliament can do one of several things:
1. Make ALL prostitution illegal. There is NOTHING in this decision making such an option unconstitutional. The problem was some aspects of prostitution was LEGAL but others ILLEGAL and the petitioners said that difference prohibited them from seeking ways to make their choice of occupation safer.
2. Keep prostitution legal, but any house of prostitution must be registered with the Police, subject to inspection by the police at any time. Any act of violence would be grounds to close down the house (One of the laws challenged was keeping a "Brawny house"
. Hold the owner of the house strictly liable for any injury incurred in the house by anyone.
First thing the court notes is that it is NOT illegal to sell sex for money i.e. Prostitution is LEGAL in Canada.
The judgment of the Court was delivered by
The Chief Justice
[1] It is not a crime in Canada to sell sex for money. However, it is a crime to keep a bawdy-house, to live on the avails of prostitution or to communicate in public with respect to a proposed act of prostitution. It is argued that these restrictions on prostitution put the safety and lives of prostitutes at risk, and are therefore unconstitutional.
[2] These appeals and the cross-appeal are not about whether prostitution should be legal or not. They are about whether the laws Parliament has enacted on how prostitution may be carried out pass constitutional muster. I conclude that they do not. I would therefore make a suspended declaration of invalidity, returning the question of how to deal with prostitution to Parliament.
However, prostitution itself is not illegal. It is not against the law to exchange sex for money. Under the existing regime, Parliament has confined lawful prostitution to two categories: street prostitution and out-calls where the prostitute goes out and meets the client at a designated location, such as the clients home. This reflects a policy choice on Parliaments part. Parliament is not precluded from imposing limits on where and how prostitution may be conducted, as long as it does so in a way that does not infringe the constitutional rights of prostitutes.
The Court held that its decision shall be suspended for one year:
On the one hand, immediate invalidity would leave prostitution totally unregulated while Parliament grapples with the complex and sensitive problem of how to deal with it. How prostitution is regulated is a matter of great public concern, and few countries leave it entirely unregulated. Whether immediate invalidity would pose a danger to the public or imperil the rule of law (the factors for suspension referred to in Schachter v. Canada, [1992] 2 S.C.R. 679) may be subject to debate. However, it is clear that moving abruptly from a situation where prostitution is regulated to a situation where it is entirely unregulated would be a matter of great concern to many Canadians.
[168] On the other hand, leaving the prohibitions against bawdy-houses, living on the avails of prostitution and public communication for purposes of prostitution in place in their present form leaves prostitutes at increased risk for the time of the suspension risks which violate their constitutional right to security of the person.
[169] The choice between suspending the declaration of invalidity and allowing it to take immediate effect is not an easy one. Neither alternative is without difficulty. However, considering all the interests at stake, I conclude that the declaration of invalidity should be suspended for one year.
In simple terms the court disliked HOW prostitution was regulated NOT that it was illegal. Basically the Canadian Parliament can do one of several things:
1. Make ALL prostitution illegal. There is NOTHING in this decision making such an option unconstitutional. The problem was some aspects of prostitution was LEGAL but others ILLEGAL and the petitioners said that difference prohibited them from seeking ways to make their choice of occupation safer.
2. Keep prostitution legal, but any house of prostitution must be registered with the Police, subject to inspection by the police at any time. Any act of violence would be grounds to close down the house (One of the laws challenged was keeping a "Brawny house"
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Canada Supreme Court Strikes Down All Current Restrictions on Prostitution [View all]
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
OP
My hit on it is that they want a rational regulated system. Start from scratch come next year
Tom Rinaldo
Dec 2013
#33
Well, there's also the "prostitution inevitably leads to trafficking" argument
Recursion
Dec 2013
#6
So with unionization, how do you address seniority rights in an industry when a consumer
24601
Dec 2013
#90
I don't think allowing prostitutes to hire bodyguards is going to dramatically increase harm
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#55
Congrats, Canada, on your status as a sanctuary for pimps and sex traffickers.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#13
Yes I read the article. Pimping is legal in Canada now. So is recruiting women for prostitution.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#15
Oh dear, we must protect our fragile womenfolk from being recruited by these sly men
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#17
The study you cited has nothing to do with legal sex-workers getting more rights to protection
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#68
It does have to do with the safety of sex workers in general, and the deterioration of that safety
Squinch
Dec 2013
#69
You do understand prostitution was already legal? Now they may get to hire bodyguards and drivers
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#70
Some aspects of prostitution were legal. Other aspects were not. The possibility as a result of
Squinch
Dec 2013
#71
No. Prostitution was legal. A prostitute hiring a guard was illegal. A prostitute having a safe...
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#72
"“These appeals and the cross-appeals are not about whether prostitution should be legal or not.
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
#19
one-sided? they were wrong becaues they didn't provide the "pimps are great" perspective? nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#50
Are you even trying to form an intelligent argument at this point, or do you honestly
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#76
Yes, you're inventing a fantasy world where prostitution is just like any other
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#47
One doesn't buy sex. Sex is an act, not a product. The woman's body is the product.
Squinch
Dec 2013
#83
No. You buy the body for the period of time you use it. You may or may not choose to have
Squinch
Dec 2013
#85
Well, that's the male entitlement view of things. Defend the pigs if you must.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#87
I know some girls and guys who rather like the idea of being whipped for someone's enjoyment.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#96
But as has been argued here often, it often is not consenting adults, and the buyers don't
Squinch
Dec 2013
#102
Tell me, do you really think legalization would lead to more trafficking and sexual slavery?
Kurska
Dec 2013
#105
Gee, you think maybe that REPORTED trafficking increases because of increased visibility?
Kurska
Dec 2013
#119
Yes, I did read it. And their conclusion was that the net effect is a "larger reported
Squinch
Dec 2013
#122
It seems to me you think that nobody has the right to be tortured, even if they want to be.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#111
The length of time that prostitution has existed is often cited, but it really isn't
Squinch
Dec 2013
#101
And does including both pronouns change any of the arguments? As I said, no one is denying
Squinch
Dec 2013
#114
It drastically effects the argument if that argument is prostitution damages women's rights.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#115
My argument, and the argument of the multi-nation studies I have cited, is that legalization
Squinch
Dec 2013
#117
Honestly, I meant to say relegate to the shadow, I was rather tired from a long day.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#79
Funny, the Canadian SC did what you want, ending all regulation of prostitution.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#48
You know, I've mentioned I want prostitution to be regulated how many times to you?
Kurska
Dec 2013
#78
You are peddling misandrist bullshit. The vast majority of men don't pay for sex.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#88
My lord, apparently thinking both men AND women should be free to sell sex is misogynistic.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#92
"Pimping is legal in Canada now." no actually, you didn't read the article if you believe that n/t
Kurska
Dec 2013
#40
Good. Too many people want to stick their noses into consenting adults' sex lives (nt)
Nye Bevan
Dec 2013
#58
i think its more about others having more fun, honestly if two people come to an agreement
loli phabay
Dec 2013
#107
Here is the Actual Opinion, First it acknowledges that Prostitution is NOT illegal in Canada
happyslug
Dec 2013
#120