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In reply to the discussion: US hints at Edward Snowden plea bargain to allow return from Russia. [View all]frazzled
(18,402 posts)19. But he must plead guilty first
The Guardian is such a saucy puppy. They had the ability to report this more explicitly, but apparently chose to curtail their quotes. Actually, there's not really much new here at all:
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Thursday that the United States was willing to discuss how the criminal case against Edward J. Snowden would be handled, but only if Mr. Snowden pleaded guilty first.
Mr. Holder, speaking at a question-and-answer event at the University of Virginia, did not specify the guilty pleas the Justice Department would expect before it would open talks with Mr. Snowdens lawyers. And the attorney general reiterated that the United States was not willing to offer clemency to Mr. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who has leaked documents that American officials have said threaten national security.
Instead, Mr. Holder said in response to a question at the universitys Miller Center, were he coming back to the U.S. to enter a plea, we would engage with his lawyers.
...
I absolutely think the tide has changed for Snowden, Jesselyn Radack, a legal adviser to Mr. Snowden and a lawyer with the Government Accountability Project, said last month. All of these things taken together counsel in favor of some sort of amnesty or pardon.
Mr. Holder ruled out that possibility on Thursday. Weve always indicated that the notion of clemency isnt something that we were willing to consider, he said, adding that any discussions with Mr. Snowdens lawyers would be the same with any defendant who wanted to enter a plea of guilty.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/24/us/politics/us-willing-to-hold-talks-if-snowden-pleads-guilty.html?hp&_r=0
Mr. Holder, speaking at a question-and-answer event at the University of Virginia, did not specify the guilty pleas the Justice Department would expect before it would open talks with Mr. Snowdens lawyers. And the attorney general reiterated that the United States was not willing to offer clemency to Mr. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who has leaked documents that American officials have said threaten national security.
Instead, Mr. Holder said in response to a question at the universitys Miller Center, were he coming back to the U.S. to enter a plea, we would engage with his lawyers.
...
I absolutely think the tide has changed for Snowden, Jesselyn Radack, a legal adviser to Mr. Snowden and a lawyer with the Government Accountability Project, said last month. All of these things taken together counsel in favor of some sort of amnesty or pardon.
Mr. Holder ruled out that possibility on Thursday. Weve always indicated that the notion of clemency isnt something that we were willing to consider, he said, adding that any discussions with Mr. Snowdens lawyers would be the same with any defendant who wanted to enter a plea of guilty.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/24/us/politics/us-willing-to-hold-talks-if-snowden-pleads-guilty.html?hp&_r=0
I doubt these are the conditions under which Mr. Snowden would agree to come back. Unless of course, Russia is even worse than we thought. The message of this was, plead guilty to a certain number of charges (which would mean some definite prison time, probably) and we'll talk about dropping some other charges.
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US hints at Edward Snowden plea bargain to allow return from Russia. [View all]
another_liberal
Jan 2014
OP
I am sure your summary is what is going on. Let's walk them back all the way from prosecution
on point
Jan 2014
#55
Not really...have you seen plea terms? A federal prosecutor is generally obligated
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#69
Hey may deserve it, but I'm very skeptical that he could safely return anytime in the near future,
Incitatus
Jan 2014
#35
I don't doubt a lot of intel types would see it as a plus if he were whacked, even now. nt
Jerry442
Jan 2014
#67
And full allocution and cooperation. If Eddie cops a plea deal, that means he sold out. nt
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#56
hardly, he got caught with his pants down. and so has now proposed relatively weak reforms.
Vattel
Jan 2014
#110
If I were Snowden I would stay as far away from this alleged deal and US legal authority as I
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2014
#6
Hopefully in a few years we'll have an Administration whose word can be trusted
MannyGoldstein
Jan 2014
#13
A federal plea deal means Eddie will be ratting everyone else out. I wouldn't call
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#58
I'm not talking about anyone 'winning'; just that the Guardian put 'plea bargain' in the headline
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2014
#62
Yeah he will. and Russia hasn't extended the asylum..it's still on the original one year..
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#80
I have never seen a federal poly deal that does not have significant " terms of cooperation"
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#138
But for FBI conduct, Ellsburg would have gone to prison. Snowden doesn't have much leverage..
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#144
GG will never allow Eddie to take a deal, if he has anything to say about it...and he should be
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#145
GG should sell his flop sweat in tiny little expensive vials to his adoring fans. n/t
Whisp
Jan 2014
#146
And the plane will develop engine trouble* and land in the Pacific, off course somewhere.
RC
Jan 2014
#81
Snowden's argument of weak whistle blower protection is not a defense for the actions he has
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#30
Don't think so, I bet the defense of weak whistle blower protection would go over like a lead
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#32
When you steal you are a thief. maybe you love a thief, I don't. One does not have the right
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#60
A good reason for the ALCU to tie up our courts. The Constitution was written before 1917, guess
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#86
The point of my post was to point out just because a law was enacted in 1917 does not
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#98
I this case Snowden is clearly the thief, admitted he took the files. Would you want to
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#113
You think I am not keeping up, when has the collecting of phone call data gone to the SC
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#116
You were surprised! It said google right in the link. You went further and saw that
A Simple Game
Jan 2014
#124
Which opinion will be official, the rulings in courts or statements from the WH?
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#125
I am quiet informed, losing, no, I continue to be informed, follow the case through the courts.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#136
In this case, Snowden stole files, he is charged with theft and espionage. He has admitted to
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#142
if he came back, I think many on DU would be first in line to crucify and torch him
Alamuti Lotus
Jan 2014
#46
No plea pardon negotiations. Offer him a full complete pardon Obama and rein in the NSA.
on point
Jan 2014
#54
I do think the Dems better take this issue away from the wingnuts while they still can. nt
bemildred
Jan 2014
#78
Republican National Committee Denounces NSA Spying, Calls For Special Congressional Investigation
bemildred
Jan 2014
#83
I don't think he is coming back. He doesn't trust the U.S. Gvt. to keep their word. nt
ladjf
Jan 2014
#126
He may have done a good thing exposing NSA abuses, but I personally think he is a Ron Paul loving,
catbyte
Jan 2014
#131
F. D. R. was our greatest President and possibly the greatest individual of the 20th Century . . .
another_liberal
Jan 2014
#137
There's a difference between cheating on your wife & wishing ill on millions of
catbyte
Jan 2014
#141
He won't be handed a get-out-of-jail-free card unless he turns out to be a US double-agent
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#148