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Psephos

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110. lol I used to work as a draftsman during college.

Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:17 PM

Jan 2014

Spent many long hours becoming a wizard with Rapidograph pens and a K&E drafting machine.

A skill that has not served me well in the long run...but it *was* very cool working with precision equipment.

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German TV: Snowden Says NSA Also Spies on Industry [View all] Hissyspit Jan 2014 OP

Hopefully GG will post the slides / data. joshcryer Jan 2014 #1

Me too. K&R Titonwan Jan 2014 #5

It's important to remember that Greenwald and Poitras have released only a small fraction Maedhros Jan 2014 #68

Thank you much. Titonwan Jan 2014 #101

Industrial Espionage has been a Big Thing in world history bucolic_frolic Jan 2014 #2

Snowden swilton Jan 2014 #17

Finally, we are coming around to the dangers of the game we are cheering on... Demenace Jan 2014 #18

I'm not following you. Are you saying we should all just shut up about the NSA Maedhros Jan 2014 #70

What is your definition of illegal acts? Demenace Jan 2014 #74

Apparently, what is "wrong" with us is that we don't like omniscient government agencies Maedhros Jan 2014 #96

It would indeed. Titonwan Jan 2014 #104

It is amazing how you conflate foreign activities with the local issues... Demenace Jan 2014 #121

I'll put this here as well, even though I posted it in another response. Maedhros Jan 2014 #129

So, you're saying the US shouldn't have any spies, anywhere, ever? baldguy Jan 2014 #100

Industrial espionage is illegal, even when the NSA does it. Maedhros Jan 2014 #102

And when China, Germany, Japan, France, Russia, Korea and Israel do it? baldguy Jan 2014 #112

Baldguy, I'll give you this: you'll never let reason or logic rain on your hate parade. Maedhros Jan 2014 #118

"You conservatives"? That's just as bad as a Teabagger calling Obama a socialist. baldguy Jan 2014 #119

I'm more worried about preserving my personal freedom than Snowden's alleged crimes. Maedhros Jan 2014 #120

And you think RW libertarians like Snowden care about *your* freedom? baldguy Jan 2014 #125

Continue to attack the messenger. By doing so, you concede the important arguments Maedhros Jan 2014 #127

I know, it is amazing and rich... Demenace Jan 2014 #123

Dude, espionage is illegal anywhere but that exactly is why it is called espionage... Demenace Jan 2014 #122

The NSA steals industry secrets from foreign companies like Siemens, Maedhros Jan 2014 #128

fuck, i'm going back to pen and paper. nt bananas Jan 2014 #3

I doubt that we will ever go back jakeXT Jan 2014 #6

4 years of high school mechanical drawing down the drain. L0oniX Jan 2014 #14

lol I used to work as a draftsman during college. Psephos Jan 2014 #110

Yeah, this guy really wants to come home, doesn't he? randome Jan 2014 #4

Yeah, he's been proven wrong how many times? The govt has had to admit to what he says, not deny it. bloomington-lib Jan 2014 #10

Nobody is saying the information is not true... Demenace Jan 2014 #22

"We are saying this information is not his to expose and that its exposure has far ranging national mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #25

You come across like the people who say, a country should balance it books like families do... Demenace Jan 2014 #30

So you are saying mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #33

Again you focus on the news of the day and miss the entire forest... Demenace Jan 2014 #39

What is the point you are trying to make? mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #64

The NSA's activities impinge upon the personal freedoms of American citizens. Maedhros Jan 2014 #72

Which personal freedom of American citizens is involved with espionage on foreign companies? Demenace Jan 2014 #75

There is much more to the NSA's illegal surveillance programs than just industrial espionage. Maedhros Jan 2014 #78

You have no idea what it like to question authority... Demenace Jan 2014 #81

Industrial espionage is illegal regardless of how many countries may engage in it. Maedhros Jan 2014 #93

You are deep into word salad territory mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #95

That pretty much punked his argument. Titonwan Jan 2014 #107

I'm more than willing to give the benefit of the dount here mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #113

Having our foreign policy (and spying) masked as "counter-terrorism" riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #34

Because that is not the focus of the NSA to stop 'Terroists'! Demenace Jan 2014 #40

Yes. Obviously the role of the NSA is economic imperialism. Snowden's now proven it riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #46

Certain names always come up on this subject Titonwan Jan 2014 #105

Again, your point seems to be mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #65

There is nothing criminal about the NSA spying on other countries. randome Jan 2014 #67

You seem to have funny ideas on what is criminal or illegal... Demenace Jan 2014 #76

The people of the United States did not authorize the NSA to do some of the things it does. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #63

Super star, We are talking about NSA activities on foreign soils today... Demenace Jan 2014 #77

He was replying to your statement: mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #84

You do not get it do you? Demenace Jan 2014 #85

So when you say something, and somebody else responds to mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #90

My apologies, not trying to brush you or anyone off... Demenace Jan 2014 #94

Did you even read and comprehend what I said? mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #98

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #109

And so many lies and just plain false accusations. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #11

You miss the point of this post... Demenace Jan 2014 #20

The Germans are vacuuming up internet traffic and using it to their adcvantage? mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #26

You plainly let the context of the poster's words woosh right over your head. MADem Jan 2014 #28

First post was about the NSA and industrial espionage mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #31

How you missed this story from the same revelation from Snowden is what I am wondering? Demenace Jan 2014 #35

This has to do with three countries (probably more) mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #37

Again, the difference between the Germans and most other citizens of all of these nations and us... Demenace Jan 2014 #41

"And by the way, because..." mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #61

That right there is the problem with your mindset... Demenace Jan 2014 #79

I don't see anything about Germany in the link I provided mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #99

Nice try at a walk back, but that isn't what you asked. MADem Jan 2014 #38

Sorry I wasn't as specific as I should have been mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #43

The world does work that way--it's why no one is getting terribly excited about all this, MADem Jan 2014 #50

I have to admit to being only slightly surprised mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #60

They won't, unfortunately, stop because we say so. Not even if we ask nicely. MADem Jan 2014 #73

I'm actually glad you took the time to post this mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #115

Phew--I can get a bit verbose, I know that! MADem Jan 2014 #116

Ha, I tend to be exactly the opposite mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #130

There you go people, when honest people stay on the side lines... Demenace Jan 2014 #32

Can you be specific about what I don't understand? mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #36

My exact point... Demenace Jan 2014 #42

So you are unwilling to spell out your argument mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #47

+1. Some of the word salad is pretty tough to wade through... riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #49

Thank you for pointing that out mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #62

So you are encouraging Nationalism as well as Authoritarianism. Maedhros Jan 2014 #103

Huh? A Simple Game Jan 2014 #111

Spot on randome Tippy Jan 2014 #15

When the media tires of him, he'll come home treestar Jan 2014 #57

Well of course the NSA is doing industrial espionage. fasttense Jan 2014 #7

Of course. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #8

When the ink used to draw the legal bounds of the NSA...... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #9

Poetic and real Demeter Jan 2014 #12

So uhm the NSA is spying on the MIC? Oh noes! What will they do now? L0oniX Jan 2014 #13

Yap, yap, yap. SoapBox Jan 2014 #16

Your Opinion And Your Opinion Only - Others See Things Quite Differently cantbeserious Jan 2014 #21

No, others do not see this differently ... Demenace Jan 2014 #23

Your Opinion And Your Opinion Only - Others See Things Quite Differently cantbeserious Jan 2014 #24

That is all you have... Demenace Jan 2014 #45

Your Opinion Is Just That - An Opinion - There Are No Facts To Support Your Opinion cantbeserious Jan 2014 #52

No facts support Ed's assertions either treestar Jan 2014 #55

In The Absence Of Evidence - No Conclusions Can Be Made - Only Opinions cantbeserious Jan 2014 #58

That is the most dishonest post I read in a while... Demenace Jan 2014 #86

Snowden Has Evidence - We Do Not - For Snowden It Is Not Opinion - For All Others - Opinion Prevails cantbeserious Jan 2014 #88

"I was told of instances in history when people have gladly cheered their own destruction" mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #27

Funny read on my narrative... Demenace Jan 2014 #44

You think that because SCOTUS (and the legislative and executive branches) riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #48

I'm sure you are aware that this has not gone to the Supreme court yet mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #51

So where do you come up with the 'it is illegal' line? Demenace Jan 2014 #83

Did you even follow the link I put there, just for a second? mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #87

Let me help you... Demenace Jan 2014 #92

Watchdog Report Says N.S.A. Program Is Illegal and Should End cantbeserious Jan 2014 #91

You know this watchdog is not the Supreme court and that its opinion is about... Demenace Jan 2014 #97

The Supreme Court Gave Us Citizens United - It Is Not To Be Trusted In Any Matter - My opinion cantbeserious Jan 2014 #106

So you want to replace the Supreme courts also, where would it stop for you? Demenace Jan 2014 #124

Predictable Reply cantbeserious Jan 2014 #126

Only? treestar Jan 2014 #54

Then That Is An Opinion Of Some - Not An Opinion Of All cantbeserious Jan 2014 #56

Sorry to hear you're not feeling well. Maybe try taking a chill pill. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #29

So because he has comforted and aided the enemy, in this case including US Citizens MyNameGoesHere Jan 2014 #69

You and your "Evil Commie!" rhetoric, yet again. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #71

Recommend jsr Jan 2014 #19

another day, another pointless exaggerated untruth treestar Jan 2014 #53

Only Your Opinion - One Cannot Prove Otherwise cantbeserious Jan 2014 #59

Perhaps the NSA is just engaged in economic spying so it can make good investments ... spin Jan 2014 #66

Exactly my thoughts.. nenagh Jan 2014 #131

Political Satire with truthiness polynomial Jan 2014 #80

Here we have the scumbag Snowden who probably have a big clue form some source Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #82

Go get those terrorists! Ash_F Jan 2014 #89

Who or what is the NSA NOT spying on? This just in: Indi Guy Jan 2014 #108

German TV: BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #114

Rec'd. dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #117